Post by iris89 on Sept 19, 2007 9:17:39 GMT -5
An Important Point on False Religion
INTRODUCTION:
Many in false religions of many and various types from those with false gods such as the Trinity have mental blinders on and can not see the truth with respect their respective religions. But first let's clarify some terms I shall be using in what to some will be a special sense or usage.
Apostate = any religious group including all denominations and/or sects of that group who worship false gods or goddesses of any type.
Christian = a term used in two very distinct and mutually exclusive ways. (1) A genuine (true) worshiper who worships the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael, Noah, Moses, etc., the creator of all there is, in strict conformity with Exodus 20:3, an absolute monotheist, a real follower of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ in practice and not just in name. (2) One who belongs to any of the denominations and/or sects that fell away from genuine (true) Christianity after the passing of the apostles that was foretold by 2Thessalonians 2:3, "let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition," (American Standard Version; ASV), one who worships other god(s) not mentioned as a true god in the Bible such as the Trinity.
False religion = One who does not worship the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael, Noah, Moses, etc., the creator of all there is, but worships some other god or god(s) or idols or goddesses.
All religions believe they are correct, yet they are all different; thus, they can not all be correct - only one can be.
Religions must be judged on two things. Their beliefs - only those giving exclusive worship to Almighty God (YHWH) can in any way be correct, and this only if it is in accord with what the Son of God, Jesus (Yeshua), said at Matthew 4:10, "Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (ASV). On how their members conduct themselves. Obviously, if members of a religion, and especially its leaders commit wrong things such as genocides, murders, violence, sexual wrongs, etc., one can be sure they are dealing with a FALSE religion.
As Jesus (Yeshua) said, First let's consider what he said as recorded at both Luke 13:24 and Matthew 7:13-14, it is in both of these that the road followed by true believers would be narrow and cramped, Luke 13:24, "Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able." (Authorized King James Bible: AV); And Matthew 7:13-14, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, abroad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." (AV); thereby, clearly showing few would be entering the narrow gate "which leadeth unto life." In reality, it will be difficult for even true Christians to enter as testified to at 1 Peter 4:18, "And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear." (AV). In order to enter, we must have the right sort of guide, Luke 1:79, "To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace." (AV). Now, if one picks the wrong group, just because it is popular or the so called 'one to belong to in a community' and not because of Bible Truths, there is an important warning given at Matthew 15:14, "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." (AV). In fact, being with the wrong group can mean you are NOT having fellowship with the Son of God, Jesus (Yeshua) as testified to at 1 John 1:6, "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not [have] the truth." (AV). This danger is made abundantly clear at Luke 12:32 when Jesus (Yeshua) spoke of his true followers as a little flock and not a large one, "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." (AV). Simply stated, his true followers will be relatively few in number which should cause all sincere individuals to question whether mainstream religion with its vast membership is heading for the narrow gate!
Which shows a very important truth; to wit, many would think they are doing what is right and believing correctly. However, this would not prove to be the case due to their mental blinders. Now we shall deal with some actual examples.
WHAT SOME HAVE ACTUALLY SAID AND/OR DONE:
We will first consider what a member of Islam said who apparently can not make the connection between wrong actions and individual blame to how wrong actions actually show the activity of a false religion. Here is this members actual statement,
<<" Do YOU accept personal responsibility for YOUR guilt in the murder of John Kennedy? Do you accept your personal responsibility for the murder of hundreds of "witches" in Salem Massachussets? Do you accept your personal responsibility for the abuse of children by Catholic priests? These acts were carried out by people who call themselves Christian, therefore, by your logic, YOU PERSONALLY are at fault.
Trying to bring it back to the topic:
Nobody who was in Iraq prior to 2002 had anything to do with the attack on WTC or the Pentagon. What makes you think this is related to your claim that George's troops are in Iraq (against their own wishes in most cases) as some sort of police action? [source - a member of Islam using a pseudonym]
As can be seen, this individual lacks the ability of first - differentiating between the two groups referred to as Christians which bear no similarity to each other, second - can not differentiate between trying to place the blame on individuals for the actions of others which is prima facia silly, and the important point that the blame for these wrong actions rest on the religion - all sects and denominations - supporting and/or giving succor to wrong doings.
Individuals of this type can not differentiate between individual responsibility and the responsibility of a religion since wrong actions clearly show that the group committing them is just a part of false religion.
Note, the mentality of "do you accept personal responsibility" instead of the religion who permitted their members to do this wrong or that wrong being clearly shown to be a false religion - THE IMPORTANT ISSUE.
Let's look at another example of where members of the same religion commit atrocities against others of the same religion just due to their being of a different flavor or sect.
<<" Shiite leaders called for calm, but militants attacked Sunni mosques and a gunfight broke out between Shiite militiamen and guards at the offices of a Sunni political party in Basra. About 500 soldiers were sent to Sunni neighborhoods in Baghdad to prevent clashes between the sects, army Capt. Jassim al-Wahash said.
Shiite spiritual leader Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani sent instructions to his followers forbidding attacks on Sunni mosques, especially the major ones in Baghdad. He called for seven days of mourning, his aides said.
...
Shiite protesters later set fire to a Sunni shrine containing the seventh century tomb of Talha bin Obeid-Allah, a companion of the Prophet Muhammad, on the outskirts of the southern city, but there was no immediate word on the extent of the damage or any casualties.
...
Gunmen in a speeding car shot and killed Sunni cleric Sheik Khalil al-Dulaimi as he was entering the al-Rashidi mosque in eastern Baghdad, the Iraqi army said. A street vendor was killed in another mosque attack"[source - USA Today News, Posted 2/22/2006 3:27 AM]>>.
As said before, Individuals of this type can not differentiate between individual responsibility and the responsibility of a religion since wrong actions clearly show that the group committing them is just a part of false religion.
Note, the mentality of "do you accept personal responsibility" instead of the religion who permitted their members to do this wrong or that wrong being clearly shown to be a false religion - THE IMPORTANT ISSUE.
FALSE GODS AND RELIGIONS:
First, remember the definition for Apostate = any religious group including all denominations and/or sects of that group who worship false gods or goddesses of any type.
Second, remember the (2) definition for Christian = (2) One who belongs to any of the denominations and/or sects that fell away from genuine (true) Christianity after the passing of the apostles that was foretold by 2Thessalonians 2:3, "let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition," (American Standard Version; ASV), one who worships other god(s) not mentioned as a true god in the Bible such as the Trinity.
So called mainstream Christianity claims to be monotheistic but is actually polytheistic as they worship a triune god instead of the Almighty God (YHWH). One of the members of this false religious group even said,
<<" All man made churches came out of the Catholic Church and that is why they are deemed as "protestant" because they protested against the first and only church, the Catholic Church. All the reformers were Catholic previous to being excommunicated, but only the Catholic Church really preserves the Trinity. [source - a Catholic writing under a pseudonym]>>.
Yet the Bible in just two scriptures shows the error of this as follows:
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; (Authorized King James Bible; AV)
John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. (AV)
By the words of Jesus, Jesus was not eternal; he was given to have life in himself and lives because of the Father. A eternal being cannot be given to have life in themselves, and they do not depend on others to live. Thus, there can be no Trinity - it is just a false god of a false religion that has divided up into many denominations or sects, all of which are false religions.
Also, this writer is lying as the Catholic church was only one of the first groups to fall away from true religion and go apostate in keeping with definition (2) for Christian = (2) One who belongs to any of the denominations and/or sects that fell away from genuine (true) Christianity after the passing of the apostles that was foretold by 2Thessalonians 2:3, "let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition," (American Standard Version; ASV), one who worships other god(s) not mentioned as a true god in the Bible such as the Trinity.
All other religions other than genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ are but false religions. Only a religion meeting definition (1) for Christian = (1) ) A genuine (true) worshiper who worships the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael, Noah, Moses, etc., the creator of all there is, in strict conformity with Exodus 20:3, an absolute monotheist, a real follower of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ in practice and not just in name.
CONCLUSION:
In fact, you can tell the genuine (true) faith by their actions, their constant worship of the one true God, Almighty God (YHWH), their rejection of all other gods in keeping with Exodus 20:3, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (American Standard Version; ASV) - they are absolute monotheist and reject all idols such as black meteorites.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
INTRODUCTION:
Many in false religions of many and various types from those with false gods such as the Trinity have mental blinders on and can not see the truth with respect their respective religions. But first let's clarify some terms I shall be using in what to some will be a special sense or usage.
Apostate = any religious group including all denominations and/or sects of that group who worship false gods or goddesses of any type.
Christian = a term used in two very distinct and mutually exclusive ways. (1) A genuine (true) worshiper who worships the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael, Noah, Moses, etc., the creator of all there is, in strict conformity with Exodus 20:3, an absolute monotheist, a real follower of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ in practice and not just in name. (2) One who belongs to any of the denominations and/or sects that fell away from genuine (true) Christianity after the passing of the apostles that was foretold by 2Thessalonians 2:3, "let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition," (American Standard Version; ASV), one who worships other god(s) not mentioned as a true god in the Bible such as the Trinity.
False religion = One who does not worship the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael, Noah, Moses, etc., the creator of all there is, but worships some other god or god(s) or idols or goddesses.
All religions believe they are correct, yet they are all different; thus, they can not all be correct - only one can be.
Religions must be judged on two things. Their beliefs - only those giving exclusive worship to Almighty God (YHWH) can in any way be correct, and this only if it is in accord with what the Son of God, Jesus (Yeshua), said at Matthew 4:10, "Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (ASV). On how their members conduct themselves. Obviously, if members of a religion, and especially its leaders commit wrong things such as genocides, murders, violence, sexual wrongs, etc., one can be sure they are dealing with a FALSE religion.
As Jesus (Yeshua) said, First let's consider what he said as recorded at both Luke 13:24 and Matthew 7:13-14, it is in both of these that the road followed by true believers would be narrow and cramped, Luke 13:24, "Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able." (Authorized King James Bible: AV); And Matthew 7:13-14, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, abroad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." (AV); thereby, clearly showing few would be entering the narrow gate "which leadeth unto life." In reality, it will be difficult for even true Christians to enter as testified to at 1 Peter 4:18, "And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear." (AV). In order to enter, we must have the right sort of guide, Luke 1:79, "To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace." (AV). Now, if one picks the wrong group, just because it is popular or the so called 'one to belong to in a community' and not because of Bible Truths, there is an important warning given at Matthew 15:14, "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." (AV). In fact, being with the wrong group can mean you are NOT having fellowship with the Son of God, Jesus (Yeshua) as testified to at 1 John 1:6, "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not [have] the truth." (AV). This danger is made abundantly clear at Luke 12:32 when Jesus (Yeshua) spoke of his true followers as a little flock and not a large one, "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." (AV). Simply stated, his true followers will be relatively few in number which should cause all sincere individuals to question whether mainstream religion with its vast membership is heading for the narrow gate!
Which shows a very important truth; to wit, many would think they are doing what is right and believing correctly. However, this would not prove to be the case due to their mental blinders. Now we shall deal with some actual examples.
WHAT SOME HAVE ACTUALLY SAID AND/OR DONE:
We will first consider what a member of Islam said who apparently can not make the connection between wrong actions and individual blame to how wrong actions actually show the activity of a false religion. Here is this members actual statement,
<<" Do YOU accept personal responsibility for YOUR guilt in the murder of John Kennedy? Do you accept your personal responsibility for the murder of hundreds of "witches" in Salem Massachussets? Do you accept your personal responsibility for the abuse of children by Catholic priests? These acts were carried out by people who call themselves Christian, therefore, by your logic, YOU PERSONALLY are at fault.
Trying to bring it back to the topic:
Nobody who was in Iraq prior to 2002 had anything to do with the attack on WTC or the Pentagon. What makes you think this is related to your claim that George's troops are in Iraq (against their own wishes in most cases) as some sort of police action? [source - a member of Islam using a pseudonym]
As can be seen, this individual lacks the ability of first - differentiating between the two groups referred to as Christians which bear no similarity to each other, second - can not differentiate between trying to place the blame on individuals for the actions of others which is prima facia silly, and the important point that the blame for these wrong actions rest on the religion - all sects and denominations - supporting and/or giving succor to wrong doings.
Individuals of this type can not differentiate between individual responsibility and the responsibility of a religion since wrong actions clearly show that the group committing them is just a part of false religion.
Note, the mentality of "do you accept personal responsibility" instead of the religion who permitted their members to do this wrong or that wrong being clearly shown to be a false religion - THE IMPORTANT ISSUE.
Let's look at another example of where members of the same religion commit atrocities against others of the same religion just due to their being of a different flavor or sect.
<<" Shiite leaders called for calm, but militants attacked Sunni mosques and a gunfight broke out between Shiite militiamen and guards at the offices of a Sunni political party in Basra. About 500 soldiers were sent to Sunni neighborhoods in Baghdad to prevent clashes between the sects, army Capt. Jassim al-Wahash said.
Shiite spiritual leader Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani sent instructions to his followers forbidding attacks on Sunni mosques, especially the major ones in Baghdad. He called for seven days of mourning, his aides said.
...
Shiite protesters later set fire to a Sunni shrine containing the seventh century tomb of Talha bin Obeid-Allah, a companion of the Prophet Muhammad, on the outskirts of the southern city, but there was no immediate word on the extent of the damage or any casualties.
...
Gunmen in a speeding car shot and killed Sunni cleric Sheik Khalil al-Dulaimi as he was entering the al-Rashidi mosque in eastern Baghdad, the Iraqi army said. A street vendor was killed in another mosque attack"[source - USA Today News, Posted 2/22/2006 3:27 AM]>>.
As said before, Individuals of this type can not differentiate between individual responsibility and the responsibility of a religion since wrong actions clearly show that the group committing them is just a part of false religion.
Note, the mentality of "do you accept personal responsibility" instead of the religion who permitted their members to do this wrong or that wrong being clearly shown to be a false religion - THE IMPORTANT ISSUE.
FALSE GODS AND RELIGIONS:
First, remember the definition for Apostate = any religious group including all denominations and/or sects of that group who worship false gods or goddesses of any type.
Second, remember the (2) definition for Christian = (2) One who belongs to any of the denominations and/or sects that fell away from genuine (true) Christianity after the passing of the apostles that was foretold by 2Thessalonians 2:3, "let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition," (American Standard Version; ASV), one who worships other god(s) not mentioned as a true god in the Bible such as the Trinity.
So called mainstream Christianity claims to be monotheistic but is actually polytheistic as they worship a triune god instead of the Almighty God (YHWH). One of the members of this false religious group even said,
<<" All man made churches came out of the Catholic Church and that is why they are deemed as "protestant" because they protested against the first and only church, the Catholic Church. All the reformers were Catholic previous to being excommunicated, but only the Catholic Church really preserves the Trinity. [source - a Catholic writing under a pseudonym]>>.
Yet the Bible in just two scriptures shows the error of this as follows:
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; (Authorized King James Bible; AV)
John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. (AV)
By the words of Jesus, Jesus was not eternal; he was given to have life in himself and lives because of the Father. A eternal being cannot be given to have life in themselves, and they do not depend on others to live. Thus, there can be no Trinity - it is just a false god of a false religion that has divided up into many denominations or sects, all of which are false religions.
Also, this writer is lying as the Catholic church was only one of the first groups to fall away from true religion and go apostate in keeping with definition (2) for Christian = (2) One who belongs to any of the denominations and/or sects that fell away from genuine (true) Christianity after the passing of the apostles that was foretold by 2Thessalonians 2:3, "let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition," (American Standard Version; ASV), one who worships other god(s) not mentioned as a true god in the Bible such as the Trinity.
All other religions other than genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ are but false religions. Only a religion meeting definition (1) for Christian = (1) ) A genuine (true) worshiper who worships the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael, Noah, Moses, etc., the creator of all there is, in strict conformity with Exodus 20:3, an absolute monotheist, a real follower of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ in practice and not just in name.
CONCLUSION:
In fact, you can tell the genuine (true) faith by their actions, their constant worship of the one true God, Almighty God (YHWH), their rejection of all other gods in keeping with Exodus 20:3, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (American Standard Version; ASV) - they are absolute monotheist and reject all idols such as black meteorites.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89