Two Wrongs Do Not A Do Not Make A Right

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Two Wrongs Do Not A Do Not Make A Right

INTRODUCTION:

The present furor over cartoons published in Jyllands-Posten newspaper raise some very serious issues.

First, Why did the Jews remain rational and calm all these years with respect the very nasty and vulgar provocative cartoons against them published in Muslim newspapers?

Second, Why did Muslims who have been publishing very nasty and vulgar provocative cartoons against others arc so insane and irrational when Jyllands-Posten newspaper published 12 very tame cartoons against them? Seems like they feel it is alright to vehemently attack others with very nasty and vulgar provocative cartoons, but it's a real NO-NO for others to do likewise to them and this with even very tame cartoons.

Third, One Muslim nation is even planning an anti-Jewish cartoon campaign, probably with very nasty and vulgar provocative cartoons. Yet the reality is that the Jews had nothing to do with the cartoons published in Jyllands-Posten newspaper. So what is the rational for this? It is completely irrational behavior to do such a thing, attack a third party over tame cartoons they did not like. Hum this is getting absurd.

Fourth, The strange fact that, <<" the Egyptian Newspaper El f*gr published 6 of the Muhammad cartoons during Ramadan with no apparent adverse reaction.">> [source - www.jp.dk/english_news/artikel:aid=3548386/ ]

Why this provoked no reaction is difficult to contemplate.

PROVOCATIVE CARTOON THROWING BY MUSLIM NEWSPAPERS:

For many years, Muslim newspapers have been publishing very nasty and vulgar provocative vile cartoons against the Jews, the sovereign nation of Israel, and many others, but since this was Muslims doing the wrong against none Muslims, they considered this okay. In other words, Muslims newspapers like to taunt others with vile cartoons, but consider it the gravest of offense for anyone to dare to do likewise to them even in a very tame way. This is of course definitely NOT fair play nor freedom of the press. Fair play means you treat others as you want to be treated and in a civil and considerate way.

Now if they, Muslim publications, did not treat others according to the rule of fair play, what right do they have to expect others NOT to treat them in kind? Regularly anti-Christian vile cartoons have been appearing in the same Muslim publications. Now when did anyone see either Christians, either genuine (true) Christians or apostate (counterfeit) Christians, and/or Jews committing criminal acts against the property of Muslims over this? When did any of these three groups ever riot over the vile cartoons of Muslim publications? NEVER.

Why did they not turn to violence and crime with regard to the vile cartoons of Muslim newspapers? Simple, while they many not have liked the cartoons, they saw NO reason to act completely insane and irrational over them. Why? Maybe, and this applies even to the apostates, they remained rational individuals not given to insane and criminal acts.

The Muslim World League (MWL) called on UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan to activate international laws against insolence toward religion, but said nothing about the extreme insolence toward religion of others shown by their own Muslim newspapers for many years. Now is this NOT a double standard?

<<" It has also been pointed out that cartoons in the Arab and Islamic press "demonising" Jews and Israelis are common.">>[source - Q&A: The Muhammad cartoons row," BBC News, 3 February 2006. ]. And, <<" The latest cartoon row centres on the British paper Muslim Weekly. Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, said the cartoon was "obscene" and in terribly "bad taste", and has now made a formal complaint to the paper. He added: "This cartoon depicts people in the most obscene fashion, reminiscent of Die Sturmer, the Nazi propaganda sheet. It denigrates and incites hatred towards Jewish people. I sympathise with the Muslim complaints about the cartoon that appeared in Denmark, but it is hypocritical to publish a cartoon like this."

Mr Dismore hinted that if the the paper does not promise to stop carrying artwork of that type he would make a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission. The cartoon, which appeared in last week's edition of the current affairs publication, shows world leaders, including President George Bush, President Jacques Chirac, Tony Blair and Iran's new President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and a caricature of an Israeli figure meant to represent Mr Olmert. The caption reads: "The nuclear club (US, UK, France and Israel) is angry for Iran's attempt to enter the nuclear market."

A spokesman for the Muslim Weekly said the cartoon was an "evocative" caricature, not intended to offend or be "stereotypical". He said: "It's a caricature so that's the whole point of it. It's a depiction, a portrayal. If he feels it is anti-Semitic we will try to reach common ground."
Jewish groups have complained about previous cartoon portrayals of Jews that appear in the Arab press. They include a depiction in 2002 of the then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak as Hitler, with his hands dripping with blood. Another shows a Jewish devil with a huge hooked nose haranguing the Pope. The Pope says: "Peace on earth" and the Jew replies: "Colonies on earth.">> [source - The Online Edition Independent, Sunday 05/2006].

IRRATIONAL REACTIONS TO A RATHER TAME SET OF 12 CARTOONS BY A DANISH NEWSPAPER:

Now we have seen that Muslim papers have posted for many years very vile, nasty provocative cartoons against others, but now Muslims when some none Muslim newspaper publishes some rather tame cartoons that offend them do not react rationally as did their victims for many years. They react in an insane irrational manner completely without common sense and/or reason. Let's look briefly at this unconscionable irrational reaction.

<<" Violence, fatwas and online anti-Jew images: a world of protests

The ferocious Muslim protests at the publication of the cartoons in the European press escalated into a global phenomenon at the weekend. The violence appeared likely to intensify despite calls for restraint from some leading clerics. Denmark, where cartoons of the prophet Mohammed first appeared in September, was the main target of arson, threats and calls for an economic boycott.

Syria, On Saturday protesters in the capital, Damascus, set fire to the Danish and Norwegian embassies. The Swedish embassy, in the same building as the Danish mission, was damaged. Protesters also tried to storm the French embassy but were held off by riot police. No diplomats were injured. The Danish and Norwegian foreign ministries advised citizens to leave Syria as soon as possible. Last night the Syrian foreign ministry said it "expresses its regret regarding the violent acts which accompanied the protests and caused material damage at some embassies".">> [source - Owen Bowcott, Monday February 6, 2006, The Guardian (UK)]

Now, not was the reaction to some rather tame provocative cartoons insane and very irrational, but most of the anger was directed at individuals and institutions and groups that had absolutely NOTHING to do with the publication of the cartoons; to wit, the Danish government for permitting freedom of the press, other governments for reasons that does not even make sense, and at the Jews who in no way were connected to the cartoons. In fact, as previously mentioned, the Jews have been the victim of some very vile and nasty cartoons by the very same groups that go insane when some one gives them back some of what they have been doing to others for years, and that in a very tame version. I guess the motto is throw vile cartoons at others, but let not they even throw the tamest of cartoons at us.

CONCLUSION:

Muslims who for years have been throwing the most vile and nasty cartoons at others and feeling that is their right with regard to freedom of their press do NOT WANT TO permit the same freedom of the press of others even when it involves some very tame cartoons. Why? Because it appears many Muslims have no respect for the rights of others, and do not know how to act rationally, and this incident clearly proves this.

All should realize the right to satire if it is funny and not vile. One Finish newspaper made this point with respect this right, <<""Right for Satire," said a front-page headline in Het Nieuwsblad. An editorial in the newspaper called the outcry over the cartoons an attack on freedom of expression.">>
[source - Arab News - The Middle East's Leading English Language Daily]

When nations even apologize for the insane irrational behavior of some of their citizens, it shows things are out of hand, <<" Syria voices regret over embassy attacks... "The foreign ministry expresses its regret over the acts of violence which accompanied the protests yesterday, which caused damage to embassies of Chile and other countries in Damascus," the ministry said in a statement.">>
[source - AFP via Yahoo! News on 02/05/2006]

Appendix:

Some anti-Jew Muslim cartoons:

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Your Friend in Christ Iris89

[iris89]

Hi Everyone

I also posted the same article of mine on a Muslim board and received some less than complimentary responses, but here is a copy of my answer to them:

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FIRST, Everyone is speaking about freedom of the press and whether they should have it or saying there is a big difference between prophets and rest of mankind. Of course that is not so, a prophet is a man like any other human as any doctor would tell you.

But all that is another story, my post was NOT meant to deal with freedom of the press, but THE INSANE IRRATIONAL RESPONSE BY MANY MUSLIMS TO A FEW SILLY CARTOONS WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN PUBLISHING VERY VILE AND NASTY CARTOONS ABOUT OTHERS FOR YEARS. If you throw provocative cartoons at others, you should expect to receive some in return.

Reactions that are insanely irrational show a serious problem with individuals so reacting. Let's look briefly at some of these irrational and criminal reactions against property and person of others:

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DAMASCUS, Syria - Several thousand Syrian demonstrators set the Danish and the Norwegian embassies on fire on Saturday to protest at the publishing of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad by European newspapers. The protest marked an escalation in the Muslim world's uproar over the cartoons, which have been reprinted in a number of European publications. One depicted Prophet Mohammad wearing a turban resembling a bomb. The fire badly damaged the Danish embassy's building, a Reuters witness said. Firefighters put out the blaze.
[source - Embassies torched as cartoon furor grows by Reuters]


And,

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Syria voices regret over embassy attacks
DAMASCUS - Syria voiced its regret over attacks against the Danish and Norwegian diplomatic missions in Damascus by angry mobs protesting at cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed as a terrorist. Crowds stormed the buildings housing two embassies on Saturday, setting fire to both and pillaging the contents of the first-floor office of the Chilean embassy in one of the buildings. "The foreign ministry expresses its regret over the acts of violence which accompanied the protests yesterday, which caused damage to embassies in Damascus," the ministry said in a statement.
[source - AFP via Yahoo! News on 02/05/2006]


Now to show how irrational these Muslim protestors were, they even went after the Chilean embassy whose country or press had absolutely nothing even to do with the so called tame provocative cartoons - insane irrationality.

And,

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Your Taboo, Not Mine - The furor over cartoons of Muhammad reveals the zealot's double standard
[Andrew Sullivan on TIME.com "There's still hope for the principles of the West in Europe: tolerance of Islam, sure; faith, yes; freedom of speech: non-negotiable." ]

The iconic image of last week was in the Gaza Strip. It was of a Palestinian gunman astride the local office of the European Union. All the diplomatic staff had fled, tipped off ahead of time. The source of the militant's ire? A series of satirical cartoons originally published in Denmark. Yes, cartoons.
A Danish paper, a while back, had commissioned a set of cartoons depicting the fear that many writers and artists in Europe feel when dealing with the subject of Islam. To Western eyes, the cartoons were not in any way remarkable. In fact, they were rather tame. One showed Muhammad with his turban depicted as a bomb--not exactly a fresh image to describe Islamic terrorism. Another used a simple graphic device: it showed Muhammad surrounded by two women in full Muslim garb, their eyes peering out from an oblong space in their black chadors. And on Muhammad's face there was an oblong too, blacking out his eyes. The point was that Islam has a blind spot when it comes to women's freedom. [source - Time Magazine by ANDREW SULLIVAN, Posted Sunday, Feb. 05, 2006]


SECOND, Surenderer said,
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Islam teaches that making fun of anothers Religion is wrong.......if for no other reason because that will give them the right to make fun of ours.....The Newspaper that the Original Poster was refering to was holding a contest to see which person could draw the best cartoon depicting the Holocaust.....not anything to do with Judaism......although I disagree with the premise it is interesting to see those who agreeded with the Danish Newspapers right to publish what they want (which although I am Muslim I agree with also) but disagree when the Iranian Newspaper said they were goin to do the same about the Holocaust....What I find most interesting about the whole thing is that the same Danish Newspaper refused to print cartoons about Jesus (pbuh) because they thought it would be insensitve and distasteful....hmm..........

Let's look at the facts of what Muslim newspapers have been doing,
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Muslim cartoon provokes fury among UK Jews
By Marie Woolf, Political Editor
Published: 05 February 2006
An anti-Semitic cartoon in a Muslim paper, which depicts Israel's acting Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, as a hook-nosed figure wearing a giant Star of David, last night drew protests from MPs and Jewish groups.
For days, Muslims across the world have been protesting about European newspapers that published drawings showing the Prophet Mohamed. One MP accused the editors of hypocrisy.
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A spokesman for the Muslim Weekly said the cartoon was an "evocative" caricature, not intended to offend or be "stereotypical". He said: "It's a caricature so that's the whole point of it. It's a depiction, a portrayal. If he feels it is anti-Semitic we will try to reach common ground."
Jewish groups have complained about previous cartoon portrayals of Jews that appear in the Arab press. They include a depiction in 2002 of the then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak as Hitler, with his hands dripping with blood. Another shows a Jewish devil with a huge hooked nose haranguing the Pope. The Pope says: "Peace on earth" and the Jew replies: "Colonies on earth." [source - The Online Edition Independent, Sunday 05/2006]


My comment, if one throws stones, they should expect the same in return and NOT act insanely irrational about it.

THIRD, Surenderer said,
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Sure....as a matter of fact the same hypocritical Newspaper whom printed those cartoons of the Prophet(pbuh) but wouldnt print cartoons demeaning Jesus (pbuh) is the one I am reffering too....

Now would the many Muslim newspapers who have published vile nasty very provocative cartoons against Jews and Christians publish the cartoons of the prophet, I think not. So no surprise when the Danish paper would not print cartoons demeaning of Jesus.

FOURTH, My entire point is INSANE IRRATIONAL reactions to silly cartoons is NOT JUSTIFIED AT ANY TIME OR PLACE AS STATED BY,
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UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said violence triggered by the publication of cartoons of the prophet Muhammad isn't justified and called on Muslims to refrain from more attacks on Nordic diplomatic missions after protests in Lebanon, Syria and other Islamic nations. [source - Paul Tighe in Sydney at [e-mail]; or Jonas Bergman in Stockholm at [e-mail] - Last Updated: February 6, 2006 06:57 EST]

MY POINT EXACTLY.
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