Post by iris89 on Jun 19, 2007 14:10:05 GMT -5
Islam Fails To Consider Their Trashed Qur'an When Claiming Errors in the Bible:
Many in Islam make false accusations with respect the Bible and alleged contradictions in it, but this is actually hilarious when you consider that Islam's Qur'an was so corrupted by Caliph Uthman and they do not even have any idea where the errors and changes are in this thoroughly corrupt Bible knockoff as they do not even have one ancient fragment, manuscript, Codex's, scroll, etc. to compare and check it against. Whereas, there are over 30,000 ancient fragment, manuscript, Codex's, scroll, etc. to compare and check the accuracy of the Bible against. So it is pure dumbness and stupid when members of Islam say the Bible is corrupt when their Qur'an was hopelessly corrupted by Caliph Uthman early on. Its like comparing a straight "A" student with a minus "F" student and trying to downgrade the straight "A" student - how utterly ridiculas.
As I said before, elsewhere,
NOW, With respect the Qur'an, here are some facts for all the doubting Islamic Thomas's on this forum.
[1] There is no proof of purity - yes, the Qur'an has remained unchanged since the time of Uthman but prior to him various versions of the Qur'an existed. This is a fact.
[2] The reason for the existence of the various versions was that Mohammed's saying were NOT written but commited to memory alone. It is only since Islamic scholars "harmonised" the various verions of the Qur'an as ordered by Uthman that the Qur'an has remained unchanged. Perhaps; but there is no shame in that. And your faith in man's ability to memorise is misplaced.
As said above - the Qur'an when commited to the memory of men was subject to change and variation. It was due to this fact that the Caliph Uthman decreed that the various records be harmonised and written. And all the prior text were destroyed by fire. So just be honest - and
[3] If EVERY Qur'an on the earth were to be destroyed - and if the Qur'an were to be transmitted by memorisation alone - in 100 years there would be 100's, if not 1,000's, of variations in the text.
[4] IS only one version of the Qur'an. But that fact is there WERE many versions. If there were not then the Caliph Uthman would never have gathered a council of Islamic scholars to harmonise the differing version to come up with a standard.
[5] And the fact that it is in Arabic is neither here nor there. God can speak any language. Nothing special bout Arabic or any other language for that matter.
[6] "Please show us the different versions you have insinuated". This is no "insinuation" but a fact that is well known to Imams and Islamic scholars. The fact of the matter is that the Caliph Uthman ordered the burning of ALL pre-existant Qur'an - an order which was carried out - again a fact know to Islamic scholars.
[7] Some ask, "I await the different versions"...... stupidity. As you very well know they were all destroyed by the command of Caliph Uthman. And what happens if a Christian or some other poor soul happens to deface or destroy the Qur'an ? they get executed!! Was Caliph Utham executed for the same? NO!! So where is Islamic justice??
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
Many in Islam make false accusations with respect the Bible and alleged contradictions in it, but this is actually hilarious when you consider that Islam's Qur'an was so corrupted by Caliph Uthman and they do not even have any idea where the errors and changes are in this thoroughly corrupt Bible knockoff as they do not even have one ancient fragment, manuscript, Codex's, scroll, etc. to compare and check it against. Whereas, there are over 30,000 ancient fragment, manuscript, Codex's, scroll, etc. to compare and check the accuracy of the Bible against. So it is pure dumbness and stupid when members of Islam say the Bible is corrupt when their Qur'an was hopelessly corrupted by Caliph Uthman early on. Its like comparing a straight "A" student with a minus "F" student and trying to downgrade the straight "A" student - how utterly ridiculas.
As I said before, elsewhere,
the Qur'an that now exist is no source for anything has it was thoroughly corrupted by Caliph Uthman,
go read the facts at,
[1] The Quran Corrupted From The Beginning by Caliph Uthman: at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1177952581
[2] The Quran Trashed by Caliph Uthman: at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1179319868
[3] Criticism of Bible Translations Verses The Real Corruption of the Quran by Caliph Uthman: [68] at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...78852419&page=1
go read the facts at,
[1] The Quran Corrupted From The Beginning by Caliph Uthman: at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1177952581
[2] The Quran Trashed by Caliph Uthman: at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1179319868
[3] Criticism of Bible Translations Verses The Real Corruption of the Quran by Caliph Uthman: [68] at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...78852419&page=1
NOW, With respect the Qur'an, here are some facts for all the doubting Islamic Thomas's on this forum.
[1] There is no proof of purity - yes, the Qur'an has remained unchanged since the time of Uthman but prior to him various versions of the Qur'an existed. This is a fact.
[2] The reason for the existence of the various versions was that Mohammed's saying were NOT written but commited to memory alone. It is only since Islamic scholars "harmonised" the various verions of the Qur'an as ordered by Uthman that the Qur'an has remained unchanged. Perhaps; but there is no shame in that. And your faith in man's ability to memorise is misplaced.
As said above - the Qur'an when commited to the memory of men was subject to change and variation. It was due to this fact that the Caliph Uthman decreed that the various records be harmonised and written. And all the prior text were destroyed by fire. So just be honest - and
[3] If EVERY Qur'an on the earth were to be destroyed - and if the Qur'an were to be transmitted by memorisation alone - in 100 years there would be 100's, if not 1,000's, of variations in the text.
[4] IS only one version of the Qur'an. But that fact is there WERE many versions. If there were not then the Caliph Uthman would never have gathered a council of Islamic scholars to harmonise the differing version to come up with a standard.
[5] And the fact that it is in Arabic is neither here nor there. God can speak any language. Nothing special bout Arabic or any other language for that matter.
[6] "Please show us the different versions you have insinuated". This is no "insinuation" but a fact that is well known to Imams and Islamic scholars. The fact of the matter is that the Caliph Uthman ordered the burning of ALL pre-existant Qur'an - an order which was carried out - again a fact know to Islamic scholars.
[7] Some ask, "I await the different versions"...... stupidity. As you very well know they were all destroyed by the command of Caliph Uthman. And what happens if a Christian or some other poor soul happens to deface or destroy the Qur'an ? they get executed!! Was Caliph Utham executed for the same? NO!! So where is Islamic justice??
Your Friend in Christ Iris89