Post by iris89 on Aug 4, 2007 19:32:35 GMT -5
Many Members of Islam Do Not Tell The Truth:
INTRODUCTION:
Many members of Islam either do not tell the truth or intentionally set out to pervert the truth. This occurs on the international front with leaders of Muslim nations telling outright lies such as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran declaring that the Holocaust is a myth and never happened. It occurs on the person to person front with members of Islam telling outright untruths and making false accusations, knowingly, which is also untruth - a lie. For example, one female member of Islam personally told the following lies about me,
[1] She called me a sleeper, AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
[2] She called me a very *friendly* person, AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
[3] She called me a twit, AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
[4] She called me an apostate, AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
In addition, members of Islam falsely claim that Christ ministry and gospel of being one of hate - ALL OUTRIGHT UNTRUTH.
Yet members of Islam, believe it or not get offended when you tell the absolute truth with respect to their telling untruth and call it lying which it is, and this is not in keeping with John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
THE FACTS - ON THE INTERNATIONAL FRONT:
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran declaring that the Holocaust is a myth and never happened. He said,
<<<" TEHRAN, Dec. 14, 2005
(AP) Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday the Holocaust is a "myth" in another sharp attack on Israel's right to exist that drew immediate harsh criticism from both the Jewish state and from Germany and the European Commission.
Germany's foreign minister blasted the comments as "shocking and unacceptable" and warned that they will influence crucial upcoming nuclear talks between Europe and Iran.
Speaking to thousands of people in the southeastern city of Zahedan, Ahmadinejad said: "Today, they have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets."
Ahmadinejad first provoked an international outcry in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map." Previously he expressed doubt about the Nazi destruction of European Jewry during the World War II. But Wednesday was the first time when he said in public that it was a myth.
Touring southeast Iran, Ahmadinejad said that if Europeans insist the Holocaust did happen, then it was they who were responsible and they should pay the price."
[source - CBS News, August 3, 2007 10:07pm, www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/14/world/main1124255.shtml ]>>>.
This pronouncement that the Holocaust is a myth is both an OUTRIGHT LIE AND AN ATTEMPT TO DENY ACTUAL HISTORY. I once even interviewed to Polish victims of the Holocaust, Mr. And Mrs. Snell, and well know it was very real and not a myth as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran lying declares.
But let's look at what an encyclopedia says on the Holocaust,
<<<"The Holocaust
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Selection" on the Judenrampe, Auschwitz, May/June 1944. To be sent to the right meant slave labor; to the left, the gas chambers. This image shows the arrival of Hungarian Jews from Carpatho-Ruthenia, many of them from the Berehov ghetto. It was taken by Ernst Hofmann or Bernhard Walter of the SS. Courtesy of Yad Vashem.[1]
The Holocaust (from the Greek holókauston from holos "completely" and kaustos "burnt"), also known as Ha-Shoah (Hebrew: ?????), Churben (Yiddish: ?????), is the term generally used to describe the killing of approximately six million European Jews during World War II, as part of a program of deliberate extermination planned and executed by the National Socialist regime in Germany led by Adolf Hitler.[2]
Other groups were persecuted and killed by the regime, including the Roma, Soviet POWs, disabled people, gay men, Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholic Poles, and political prisoners.[3][4] Many scholars do not include these groups in the definition of the Holocaust, defining it as the genocide of the Jews,[5] or what the Nazis called the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question." Taking into account all the victims of Nazi persecution, the death toll rises considerably: estimates generally place the total number of victims at nine to 11 million.[6]
The persecution and genocide were accomplished in stages. Legislation to remove the Jews from civil society was enacted years before the outbreak of World War II. Concentration camps were established in which inmates were used as slave labour until they died of exhaustion or disease. Where the Third Reich conquered new territory in eastern Europe, specialized units called Einsatzgruppen murdered Jews and political opponents in mass shootings. Jews and Roma were crammed into ghettos before being transported hundreds of miles by freight train to extermination camps where, if they survived the journey, the majority of them were killed in gas chambers. Every arm of Germany's bureaucracy was involved in the logistics of the mass murder, turning the country into what one Holocaust scholar has called "a genocidal nation."[7]
Notes [[References]]
1. ^ "The Auschwitz Album", Yad Vashem.
2. ^ Niewyk, Donald L. The Columbia Guide to the Holocaust, Columbia University Press, 2000, p.45: "The Holocaust is commonly defined as the murder of more than 5,000,000 Jews by the Germans in World War II." Also see "The Holocaust," Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2007: "the systematic state-sponsored killing of six million Jewish men, women and children, and millions of others, by Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II. The Germans called this "the final solution to the Jewish question."
3. ^ Berenbaum, Michael. The World Must Know, The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, pp.125ff.
4. ^ a b "Non-Jewish victims of Nazism," Encyclopaedia Britannica.
5. ^
o Weissman, Gary. Fantasies of Witnessing: Postwar Attempts to Experience the Holocaust, Cornell University Press, 2004, ISBN 0801442532, p. 94: "Kren illustrates his point with his reference to the Kommissararbefehl. 'Should the (strikingly unreported) systematic mass starvation of Soviet prisoners of war be included in the Holocaust?' he asks. Many scholars would answer no, maintaining that 'the Holocaust' should refer strictly to those events involving the systematic killing of the Jews'."
o "The Holocaust: Definition and Preliminary Discussion", Yad Vashem: "The Holocaust, as presented in this resource center, is defined as the sum total of all anti-Jewish actions carried out by the Nazi regime between 1933 and 1945: from stripping the German Jews of their legal and economic status in the 1930s, to segregating and starving Jews in the various occupied countries, to the murder of close to six million Jews in Europe. The Holocaust is part of a broader aggregate of acts of oppression and murder of various ethnic and political groups in Europe by the Nazis."
o Niewyk, Donald L. The Columbia Guide to the Holocaust, Columbia University Press, 2000, p.45: "The Holocaust is commonly defined as the murder of more than 5,000,000 Jews by the Germans in World War II."
o "Holocaust," Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2007: "the systematic state-sponsored killing of six million Jewish men, women, and children and millions of others by Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II. The Germans called this "the final solution to the Jewish question" (emphasis added).
o "Holocaust", Encarta: "Holocaust, the almost complete destruction of Jews in Europe by Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II (1939-1945). The leadership of Germany's Nazi Party ordered the extermination of 5.6 million to 5.9 million Jews (see National Socialism). Jews often refer to the Holocaust as Shoah (from the Hebrew word for "catastrophe" or "total destruction")."
o Paulson, Steve. "A View of the Holocaust", BBC: "The Holocaust was the Nazis' assault on the Jews between 1933 and 1945. It culminated in what the Nazis called the 'Final Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe', in which six million Jews were murdered."
o "The Holocaust", Auschwitz.dk: "The Holocaust was the systematic annihilation of six million Jews by the Nazis during World War 2."
o "Holocaust-Definition", Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies: "HOLOCAUST (Heb., sho'ah). In the 1950s the term came to be applied primarily to the destruction of the Jews of Europe under the Nazi regime, and it is also employed in describing the annihilation of other groups of people in World War II. The mass extermination of Jews has become the archetype of GENOCIDE, and the terms sho'ah and "holocaust" have become linked to the attempt by the Nazi German state to destroy European Jewry during World War II ... One of the first to use the term in the historical perspective was the Jerusalem historian BenZion Dinur (Dinaburg), who, in the spring of 1942, stated that the Holocaust was a "catastrophe" that symbolized the unique situation of the Jewish people among the nations of the world."
o Also see the Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies list of definitions: "Holocaust: A term for the state-sponsored, systematic persecution and annihilation of European Jewry by Nazi Germany and its collaborators between 1933 and 1945."
o "The Holocaust", Compact Oxford English Dictionary: "(the Holocaust) the mass murder of Jews under the German Nazi regime in World War II."
o The 33rd Annual Scholars' Conference on the Holocaust and the Churches defines the Holocaust as "the Nazi attempt to annihilate European Jewry," cited in Hanthingy, Ian. "Romanies and the Holocaust: A Reevaluation and an Overview", Stone, Dan. (ed.) The Historiography of the Holocaust. Palgrave-Macmillan, New York 2004, pp. 383-396.
o Bauer, Yehuda. Rethinking the Holocaust. New Haven: Yale University Press. 2001, p.10.
o Dawidowicz, Lucy. The War Against the Jews: 1933-1945. Bantam, 1986, p.xxxvii: "'The Holocaust' is the term that Jews themselves have chosen to describe their fate during World War II."
6. ^ Donald Niewyk suggests that the broadest definition would produce a death toll of 17 million. A figure of 26 million is given in Service d'Information des Crimes de Guerre: Crimes contre la Personne Humain, Camps de Concentration. Paris, 1946, p. 197.
7. ^ a b Berenbaum, Michael. The World Must Know," United States Holcaust Museum, 2006, p. 103."
[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust ]>>>.
So as can readily be seen, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a member of Islam, is NOT TELLING THE TRUTH WITH RESPECT THE HOLOCAUST BEING A MYTH - HE IS LYING.
Now let's see what moderate Muslims say about the radical Muslims.
FREEMUSLIM COALITION DECLARES 'ISLAMISM' THE MOTHER OF ALL BIG LIES:
Here is what the Freemuslim Coalition, a moderate Muslim group, says with respect the more radical Muslims with regard the subject of lying,
<<<"'Islamism is The Mother of All Big Lies'
January 26, 2005
memri
In an article titled "Adolf Hitler on the Making of a Successful Lie," Abu Khawla (Muhammad Bechri), a human rights activist and former chair of the Tunisian section of Amnesty International, claims that Islamism is "a very successful lie," and not "a remarkable social and political force." In his view, "only Arab/Muslim secular forces can effectively undermine Islamism." The following are excerpts from the article:(1)
'The Mother of All Big Lies: Islamism'
"A contributor to a secular forum did well recently in reminding us about Hitler's dictum on how to lie and have a great impact on the masses... This raises a set of interesting questions. Why would a particular lie succeed while others fail? And why would a liar suddenly succeed in a particular period of time and not before that? To answer these questions, we need to understand what makes for a successful lie. I will elaborate on this point first, then I will go on to speculate on the effective way to counter the mother of all big lies: Islamism (or political Islam, since Islamism is nothing but politics in a religious garb).
"Adolf Hitler said: 'the broad mass of a nation will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.' Hitler also taught us that to succeed, the lie should be told loudly. In case you didn't notice, he would generally start his speeches in a relatively quite manner, [and] then as he starts shouting he gets more and more applause. The foolhardy German masses honestly believed that if their beloved Fuhrer is taking such a pain to talk loudly, he should be telling more truth.
"By these two accounts, Islamism is expected to be a very successful lie, indeed. Amir Taheri estimated the Islamist propaganda machine's bill to be about 100 billion dollars during the last two decades alone, which makes it the largest propaganda machine in history, even larger than the communist propaganda machine during the Soviet era. People wouldn't obviously spend that much unless they know they have to defend a huge lie.
"The mosque (especially the Friday prayer sermon) is particularly used by Islamists to spread their message. [Egyptian progressive] Saadeddine Ibrahim recently lamented how he would face a propaganda machine that uses a network of 150,000 mosques in Egypt. In many countries, Fatwas issued by the Mullahs could be binding on social and political matters, and the religious authorities are granted wide powers for censorship of whatever they consider to be blasphemous.
"In addition, an infiltration of culture and education spheres gives Islamists an upper hand, especially in the conception of school curricula and media programs. And since the early 1990s, a turn to the worst was inaugurated by the advent of satellite TV. In the Arab world, this important tool of communications is so far completely monopolized by fundamentalists."
[source - Freemuslim Coalition, www.freemuslims.org/news/article.php?article=346 ]>>>.
So even many Muslims themselves recognize that many members of Islam are outright untruth tellers, but let's look at a debate between a member of Islam and a none member of Islam.
A DEBATE OVER THE LACK OF HONESTY OF MANY MEMBERS OF ISLAM:
A debate on a web forum between Nuray, a member of Islam, and John Bastile, a none member of Islam follows,
<<<"Submitted by John Bastile, Jan 22, 2006 at 22:55
Nuray,
Your version of Islam contains many lies that we have encountered before. Please do understand that our knowledge in Islam is not as shallow as you hoped. You may encounter many muslims which are poor and illiterate and you can succeed in saying what you have. You may have encountered shallow Westerners and bulls**t your way thru. However, in this weblog platform, you are dealing with people who have done research on Islam.
Lie #1
"During the life time of Muhammed, peace upon him, first Islamic state was established so that Muslims could practice Islam without being killed by pagan Arabs. During that time Allah gave an order dictates that non-believers to be killed wherever they were seen."
Muhammed was in Mecca for about 10 years. No harm was done to him. He left because he lost credibility after the "Satanic Verses" incident by allowing three pagan daughters of Allah to be worshipped as well. Later he rescinded his statement by claiming that Satan has taken over him. He lost many followers.
See Part Two:
INTRODUCTION:
Many members of Islam either do not tell the truth or intentionally set out to pervert the truth. This occurs on the international front with leaders of Muslim nations telling outright lies such as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran declaring that the Holocaust is a myth and never happened. It occurs on the person to person front with members of Islam telling outright untruths and making false accusations, knowingly, which is also untruth - a lie. For example, one female member of Islam personally told the following lies about me,
[1] She called me a sleeper, AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
[2] She called me a very *friendly* person, AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
[3] She called me a twit, AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
[4] She called me an apostate, AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
In addition, members of Islam falsely claim that Christ ministry and gospel of being one of hate - ALL OUTRIGHT UNTRUTH.
Yet members of Islam, believe it or not get offended when you tell the absolute truth with respect to their telling untruth and call it lying which it is, and this is not in keeping with John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
THE FACTS - ON THE INTERNATIONAL FRONT:
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran declaring that the Holocaust is a myth and never happened. He said,
<<<" TEHRAN, Dec. 14, 2005
(AP) Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday the Holocaust is a "myth" in another sharp attack on Israel's right to exist that drew immediate harsh criticism from both the Jewish state and from Germany and the European Commission.
Germany's foreign minister blasted the comments as "shocking and unacceptable" and warned that they will influence crucial upcoming nuclear talks between Europe and Iran.
Speaking to thousands of people in the southeastern city of Zahedan, Ahmadinejad said: "Today, they have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets."
Ahmadinejad first provoked an international outcry in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map." Previously he expressed doubt about the Nazi destruction of European Jewry during the World War II. But Wednesday was the first time when he said in public that it was a myth.
Touring southeast Iran, Ahmadinejad said that if Europeans insist the Holocaust did happen, then it was they who were responsible and they should pay the price."
[source - CBS News, August 3, 2007 10:07pm, www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/14/world/main1124255.shtml ]>>>.
This pronouncement that the Holocaust is a myth is both an OUTRIGHT LIE AND AN ATTEMPT TO DENY ACTUAL HISTORY. I once even interviewed to Polish victims of the Holocaust, Mr. And Mrs. Snell, and well know it was very real and not a myth as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran lying declares.
But let's look at what an encyclopedia says on the Holocaust,
<<<"The Holocaust
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Selection" on the Judenrampe, Auschwitz, May/June 1944. To be sent to the right meant slave labor; to the left, the gas chambers. This image shows the arrival of Hungarian Jews from Carpatho-Ruthenia, many of them from the Berehov ghetto. It was taken by Ernst Hofmann or Bernhard Walter of the SS. Courtesy of Yad Vashem.[1]
The Holocaust (from the Greek holókauston from holos "completely" and kaustos "burnt"), also known as Ha-Shoah (Hebrew: ?????), Churben (Yiddish: ?????), is the term generally used to describe the killing of approximately six million European Jews during World War II, as part of a program of deliberate extermination planned and executed by the National Socialist regime in Germany led by Adolf Hitler.[2]
Other groups were persecuted and killed by the regime, including the Roma, Soviet POWs, disabled people, gay men, Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholic Poles, and political prisoners.[3][4] Many scholars do not include these groups in the definition of the Holocaust, defining it as the genocide of the Jews,[5] or what the Nazis called the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question." Taking into account all the victims of Nazi persecution, the death toll rises considerably: estimates generally place the total number of victims at nine to 11 million.[6]
The persecution and genocide were accomplished in stages. Legislation to remove the Jews from civil society was enacted years before the outbreak of World War II. Concentration camps were established in which inmates were used as slave labour until they died of exhaustion or disease. Where the Third Reich conquered new territory in eastern Europe, specialized units called Einsatzgruppen murdered Jews and political opponents in mass shootings. Jews and Roma were crammed into ghettos before being transported hundreds of miles by freight train to extermination camps where, if they survived the journey, the majority of them were killed in gas chambers. Every arm of Germany's bureaucracy was involved in the logistics of the mass murder, turning the country into what one Holocaust scholar has called "a genocidal nation."[7]
Notes [[References]]
1. ^ "The Auschwitz Album", Yad Vashem.
2. ^ Niewyk, Donald L. The Columbia Guide to the Holocaust, Columbia University Press, 2000, p.45: "The Holocaust is commonly defined as the murder of more than 5,000,000 Jews by the Germans in World War II." Also see "The Holocaust," Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2007: "the systematic state-sponsored killing of six million Jewish men, women and children, and millions of others, by Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II. The Germans called this "the final solution to the Jewish question."
3. ^ Berenbaum, Michael. The World Must Know, The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, pp.125ff.
4. ^ a b "Non-Jewish victims of Nazism," Encyclopaedia Britannica.
5. ^
o Weissman, Gary. Fantasies of Witnessing: Postwar Attempts to Experience the Holocaust, Cornell University Press, 2004, ISBN 0801442532, p. 94: "Kren illustrates his point with his reference to the Kommissararbefehl. 'Should the (strikingly unreported) systematic mass starvation of Soviet prisoners of war be included in the Holocaust?' he asks. Many scholars would answer no, maintaining that 'the Holocaust' should refer strictly to those events involving the systematic killing of the Jews'."
o "The Holocaust: Definition and Preliminary Discussion", Yad Vashem: "The Holocaust, as presented in this resource center, is defined as the sum total of all anti-Jewish actions carried out by the Nazi regime between 1933 and 1945: from stripping the German Jews of their legal and economic status in the 1930s, to segregating and starving Jews in the various occupied countries, to the murder of close to six million Jews in Europe. The Holocaust is part of a broader aggregate of acts of oppression and murder of various ethnic and political groups in Europe by the Nazis."
o Niewyk, Donald L. The Columbia Guide to the Holocaust, Columbia University Press, 2000, p.45: "The Holocaust is commonly defined as the murder of more than 5,000,000 Jews by the Germans in World War II."
o "Holocaust," Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2007: "the systematic state-sponsored killing of six million Jewish men, women, and children and millions of others by Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II. The Germans called this "the final solution to the Jewish question" (emphasis added).
o "Holocaust", Encarta: "Holocaust, the almost complete destruction of Jews in Europe by Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II (1939-1945). The leadership of Germany's Nazi Party ordered the extermination of 5.6 million to 5.9 million Jews (see National Socialism). Jews often refer to the Holocaust as Shoah (from the Hebrew word for "catastrophe" or "total destruction")."
o Paulson, Steve. "A View of the Holocaust", BBC: "The Holocaust was the Nazis' assault on the Jews between 1933 and 1945. It culminated in what the Nazis called the 'Final Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe', in which six million Jews were murdered."
o "The Holocaust", Auschwitz.dk: "The Holocaust was the systematic annihilation of six million Jews by the Nazis during World War 2."
o "Holocaust-Definition", Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies: "HOLOCAUST (Heb., sho'ah). In the 1950s the term came to be applied primarily to the destruction of the Jews of Europe under the Nazi regime, and it is also employed in describing the annihilation of other groups of people in World War II. The mass extermination of Jews has become the archetype of GENOCIDE, and the terms sho'ah and "holocaust" have become linked to the attempt by the Nazi German state to destroy European Jewry during World War II ... One of the first to use the term in the historical perspective was the Jerusalem historian BenZion Dinur (Dinaburg), who, in the spring of 1942, stated that the Holocaust was a "catastrophe" that symbolized the unique situation of the Jewish people among the nations of the world."
o Also see the Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies list of definitions: "Holocaust: A term for the state-sponsored, systematic persecution and annihilation of European Jewry by Nazi Germany and its collaborators between 1933 and 1945."
o "The Holocaust", Compact Oxford English Dictionary: "(the Holocaust) the mass murder of Jews under the German Nazi regime in World War II."
o The 33rd Annual Scholars' Conference on the Holocaust and the Churches defines the Holocaust as "the Nazi attempt to annihilate European Jewry," cited in Hanthingy, Ian. "Romanies and the Holocaust: A Reevaluation and an Overview", Stone, Dan. (ed.) The Historiography of the Holocaust. Palgrave-Macmillan, New York 2004, pp. 383-396.
o Bauer, Yehuda. Rethinking the Holocaust. New Haven: Yale University Press. 2001, p.10.
o Dawidowicz, Lucy. The War Against the Jews: 1933-1945. Bantam, 1986, p.xxxvii: "'The Holocaust' is the term that Jews themselves have chosen to describe their fate during World War II."
6. ^ Donald Niewyk suggests that the broadest definition would produce a death toll of 17 million. A figure of 26 million is given in Service d'Information des Crimes de Guerre: Crimes contre la Personne Humain, Camps de Concentration. Paris, 1946, p. 197.
7. ^ a b Berenbaum, Michael. The World Must Know," United States Holcaust Museum, 2006, p. 103."
[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust ]>>>.
So as can readily be seen, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a member of Islam, is NOT TELLING THE TRUTH WITH RESPECT THE HOLOCAUST BEING A MYTH - HE IS LYING.
Now let's see what moderate Muslims say about the radical Muslims.
FREEMUSLIM COALITION DECLARES 'ISLAMISM' THE MOTHER OF ALL BIG LIES:
Here is what the Freemuslim Coalition, a moderate Muslim group, says with respect the more radical Muslims with regard the subject of lying,
<<<"'Islamism is The Mother of All Big Lies'
January 26, 2005
memri
In an article titled "Adolf Hitler on the Making of a Successful Lie," Abu Khawla (Muhammad Bechri), a human rights activist and former chair of the Tunisian section of Amnesty International, claims that Islamism is "a very successful lie," and not "a remarkable social and political force." In his view, "only Arab/Muslim secular forces can effectively undermine Islamism." The following are excerpts from the article:(1)
'The Mother of All Big Lies: Islamism'
"A contributor to a secular forum did well recently in reminding us about Hitler's dictum on how to lie and have a great impact on the masses... This raises a set of interesting questions. Why would a particular lie succeed while others fail? And why would a liar suddenly succeed in a particular period of time and not before that? To answer these questions, we need to understand what makes for a successful lie. I will elaborate on this point first, then I will go on to speculate on the effective way to counter the mother of all big lies: Islamism (or political Islam, since Islamism is nothing but politics in a religious garb).
"Adolf Hitler said: 'the broad mass of a nation will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.' Hitler also taught us that to succeed, the lie should be told loudly. In case you didn't notice, he would generally start his speeches in a relatively quite manner, [and] then as he starts shouting he gets more and more applause. The foolhardy German masses honestly believed that if their beloved Fuhrer is taking such a pain to talk loudly, he should be telling more truth.
"By these two accounts, Islamism is expected to be a very successful lie, indeed. Amir Taheri estimated the Islamist propaganda machine's bill to be about 100 billion dollars during the last two decades alone, which makes it the largest propaganda machine in history, even larger than the communist propaganda machine during the Soviet era. People wouldn't obviously spend that much unless they know they have to defend a huge lie.
"The mosque (especially the Friday prayer sermon) is particularly used by Islamists to spread their message. [Egyptian progressive] Saadeddine Ibrahim recently lamented how he would face a propaganda machine that uses a network of 150,000 mosques in Egypt. In many countries, Fatwas issued by the Mullahs could be binding on social and political matters, and the religious authorities are granted wide powers for censorship of whatever they consider to be blasphemous.
"In addition, an infiltration of culture and education spheres gives Islamists an upper hand, especially in the conception of school curricula and media programs. And since the early 1990s, a turn to the worst was inaugurated by the advent of satellite TV. In the Arab world, this important tool of communications is so far completely monopolized by fundamentalists."
[source - Freemuslim Coalition, www.freemuslims.org/news/article.php?article=346 ]>>>.
So even many Muslims themselves recognize that many members of Islam are outright untruth tellers, but let's look at a debate between a member of Islam and a none member of Islam.
A DEBATE OVER THE LACK OF HONESTY OF MANY MEMBERS OF ISLAM:
A debate on a web forum between Nuray, a member of Islam, and John Bastile, a none member of Islam follows,
<<<"Submitted by John Bastile, Jan 22, 2006 at 22:55
Nuray,
Your version of Islam contains many lies that we have encountered before. Please do understand that our knowledge in Islam is not as shallow as you hoped. You may encounter many muslims which are poor and illiterate and you can succeed in saying what you have. You may have encountered shallow Westerners and bulls**t your way thru. However, in this weblog platform, you are dealing with people who have done research on Islam.
Lie #1
"During the life time of Muhammed, peace upon him, first Islamic state was established so that Muslims could practice Islam without being killed by pagan Arabs. During that time Allah gave an order dictates that non-believers to be killed wherever they were seen."
Muhammed was in Mecca for about 10 years. No harm was done to him. He left because he lost credibility after the "Satanic Verses" incident by allowing three pagan daughters of Allah to be worshipped as well. Later he rescinded his statement by claiming that Satan has taken over him. He lost many followers.
See Part Two: