Reply to a None-Believer Who Quoted a Worldly Phil

[iris89]

Reply to a None-Believer Who Quoted a Worldly Philosopher, Jim Walker:

On another forum, a none-believer atheist poster quoted a worldly philosopher, Jim Walker, and the following is my reply showing the error of Jim Walker using the Inspired Word of Almighty God (YHWH), the Bible:

Some quote long post from individuals that are obviously philosophers and not historians, who record reality. Of course philosophers can come up with good sounding pseudo-arguments as they are basically word-smiths with respect putting forth the high sounding foolishness of mankind which per the Inspired Word of Almighty God (YHWH) is as Romans 1:19-25 put it, "because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse: 21 because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." (American Standard Version; ASV).

One such individual said,

People have slaughtered each other in wars, inquisitions, and political actions for centuries and still kill each other over beliefs in religions, political ideologies, and philosophies. These belief-systems, when stated as propositions, may appear mystical, and genuine to the naive, but when confronted with a testable bases from reason and experiment, they fail miserably. I maintain that beliefs create more social problems than they solve and that beliefs, and especially those elevated to faith, produce the most destructive potential to the future of humankind.

The very fact that some people have slaughtered each other in wars, inquisitions, and political actions for centuries and still kill each other over beliefs in religions, political ideologies, and philosophies for centuries clearly indicates that they are NOT genuine (true) followers of Christ as he clearly said at Matthew 5:43-48, "Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy: 44 but I say unto you, love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you; 45 that ye may be sons of your Father who is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust. 46 For if ye love them that love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the Gentiles the same? 48 Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (ASV).

Now reasonable thinking individuals in light of this and other similar scriptures would ask themselves, now just what is going on? So, now let's look at the reality in plain English so as to see the truth:

Most religions of the world take a two part single path as they have some good and some bad. However, so called Christianity did NOT follow in the mold of other religions such as the Hindus, Islam, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, etc. Instead, so called Christianity took two different paths. These two paths are as follows:

[1] In 325 AD the greater part of the so called Christian faith went apostate to when the good favor of a pagan emperor, a worshipper of the Unconquered Sun. And this branch of apostate Christians went on to commit many atrocities such as the rape of Goa, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the burning of individuals at the stake for disagreeing with them including one Bruno for simply saying that the earth revolved around the sun; whereas, they said the sun revolved around the earth.

[2] A second and much smaller group of Christians that remained genuine Christians and did NOT go apostate, but followed in the footsteps of Christ their leader and savior. These did NOT commit any atrocities.

Thus, as can be readily seen, Christianity did not take the same path as most other religions that of having some good and some bad, but instead had a bad large group, and a much smaller good group. The colonial powers, however, brought the bad group to India, Pakistan, the New World [most of South America and North America], and many of the islands of the sea; and they went on committing atrocities in all of these places. This was because the apostate Christians were actually doing Satan the Devils' work per 2 Corinthians 4:4, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); and John 5:19, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." (AV).

WRONG OPINION HELD BY MANY:

Due to the wrong actions, atrocities, committed by the first group, the apostate Christians, "[1] In 325 AD the greater part of the so called Christian faith went apostate to when the good favor of a pagan emperor, a worshipper of the Unconquered Sun. And this branch of apostate Christians went on to commit many atrocities such as the rape of Goa, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the burning of individuals at the stake for disagreeing with them including one Bruno for simply saying that the earth revolved around the sun; whereas, they said the sun revolved around the earth." Many hold wrong opinions of ALL Christians. Why? Because they have generalized the actions and wrongs of the first group and incorrectly applied them to genuine footstep followers of Christ also, the "[2] A second and much smaller group of Christians that remained genuine Christians and did NOT go apostate, but followed in the footsteps of Christ their leader and savior. These did NOT commit any atrocities."

Of course this generalization results in a wrong understanding of Christianity on the part of many. One writer who did NOT understand the crucial difference between these two groups said,

"You use one bunch of Christians to expose the bullsh**t propagated by another bunch of Christians. All of the Christians are more than 50% crap."

Clearly showing he had no comprehension of the two different paths taken by so called Christianity.

Another writer, in this case a Hindu, showed the same lack of comprehension with respect the two different paths taken by so called Christianity and said.

"You just using counterfeit christianity as a tool to dissaccociate yourself from the same christians that commited the most horrendous attrocities, live with it, you all have blood stained on your hands, I admit I am ashamed of what the brahmins, what's dont is done, we are doing what we can to uplift the dalits."

Obviously this individual also does not understand that so called Christianity took two different paths, and is NOT being rational either as he has shown that he can not bear to hear the truth, the facts? Well let's look at the counterfeit side of Christianity and the atrocities they have committed, and maybe individual like these two will start to realize the truth with respect the two different paths so called Christianity took.

Most religions of the world take a two part single path as they have some good and some bad. However, so called Christianity did NOT follow in the mold of other religions such as the Hindus, Islam, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, etc. Instead, so called Christianity took two different paths. These two paths are as follows:

[1] In 325 AD the greater part of the so called Christian faith went apostate to when the good favor of a pagan emperor, a worshipper of the Unconquered Sun. And this branch of apostate Christians went on to commit many atrocities such as the rape of Goa, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the burning of individuals at the stake for disagreeing with them including one Bruno for simply saying that the earth revolved around the sun; whereas, they said the sun revolved around the earth.

[2] A second and much smaller group of Christians that remained genuine Christians and did NOT go apostate, but followed in the footsteps of Christ their leader and savior. These did NOT commit any atrocities.

Thus, as can be readily seen, Christianity did not take the same path as most other religions that of having some good and some bad, but instead had a bad large group, and a much smaller good group. The colonial powers, however, brought the bad group to India, Pakistan, the New World [most of South America and North America], and many of the islands of the sea; and they went on committing atrocities in all of these places. This was because the apostate Christians were actually doing Satan the Devils' work per 2 Corinthians 4:4, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); and John 5:19, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." (AV).

WRONG OPINION HELD BY MANY:

Due to the wrong actions, atrocities, committed by the first group, the apostate Christians, "[1] In 325 AD the greater part of the so called Christian faith went apostate to when the good favor of a pagan emperor, a worshipper of the Unconquered Sun. And this branch of apostate Christians went on to commit many atrocities such as the rape of Goa, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the burning of individuals at the stake for disagreeing with them including one Bruno for simply saying that the earth revolved around the sun; whereas, they said the sun revolved around the earth." Many hold wrong opinions of ALL Christians. Why? Because they have generalized the actions and wrongs of the first group and incorrectly applied them to genuine footstep followers of Christ also, the "[2] A second and much smaller group of Christians that remained genuine Christians and did NOT go apostate, but followed in the footsteps of Christ their leader and savior. These did NOT commit any atrocities."

Of course this generalization results in a wrong understanding of Christianity on the part of many. One writer who did NOT understand the crucial difference between these two groups said,

"You use one bunch of Christians to expose the bullsh**t propagated by another bunch of Christians. All of the Christians are more than 50% crap."

Clearly showing he had no comprehension of the two different paths taken by so called Christianity.

Another writer, in this case a Hindu, showed the same lack of comprehension with respect the two different paths taken by so called Christianity and said.

"You just using counterfeit christianity as a tool to dissaccociate yourself from the same christians that commited the most horrendous attrocities, live with it, you all have blood stained on your hands, I admit I am ashamed of what the brahmins, what's dont is done, we are doing what we can to uplift the dalits."

Obviously this individual also does not understand that so called Christianity took two different paths, and is NOT being rational either as he has shown that he can not bear to hear the truth, the facts? Well let's look at the counterfeit side of Christianity and the atrocities they have committed, and maybe individual like these two will start to realize the truth with respect the two different paths so called Christianity took. [source - Discourse on the Two Paths of So Called Christianity - The Genuine and the Counterfeit]

This research report can be found at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=monetheist&thread=1163177849&page=1

And all should go there and read it in its entirety to see the error of the quoted Philosopher, --Jim Walker,

His quoted comment,

I maintain that beliefs create more social problems than they solve and that beliefs, and especially those elevated to faith, produce the most destructive potential to the future of humankind.

Only applies to those who are NOT genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ and NOT to the genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ as can readily be seen from the research report, "Discourse on the Two Paths of So Called Christianity - The Genuine and the Counterfeit."

This dumb philosopher went on to say the following high-sounding hogwash,

To characterize no beliefs as nihilist only creates a straw man. Of course a nihilist might very well claim to abandon knowledge of existence but usually it comes in the form of a belief-- one who believes that nothing exists or one who believes that no one can know anything. Nothing I have written rejects the notion of existence or knowledge, whether it comes from metaphysical, political or ethical thought. Abandoning beliefs does not prevent one from reality, morality or sociality. On the contrary, I submit that eliminating ownership of beliefs tends to enhance the knowledge of things by the very act of eliminating the very obstruction which prevents us from knowing how things work in the universe. The elimination of beliefs as I describe it illustrates the very antithesis of nihilism. The problems that derive from beliefs prevent us from knowledge of existence, morality and workable political systems.

Clearly overlooking the simple fact, the reality per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) of,

"If one believes in nothing, he has no reason to fight any belief whatsoever! Remember 2 Corinthians 10:4-5, "(for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but mighty before God to the casting down of strongholds), 5 casting down imaginations, and every high thing that is exalted against the knowledge of God, and bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ;" (American Standard Version; ASV)." [source - Iris89]

I, Iris89, fight for the truth in keeping with 2 Corinthians 10:3-6, "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh 4 (for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but mighty before God to the casting down of strongholds), 5 casting down imaginations, and every high thing that is exalted against the knowledge of God, and bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ;
6 and being in readiness to avenge all disobedience, when your obedience shall be made full." (ASV).
Which clearly shows that genuine (true) followers of Christ do not war with violence and blood shed, but with the word of Almighty God (YHWH); thus showing both the logical error and historical factual errors of Jim Walker.

Also, his statement,

The problems that derive from beliefs prevent us from knowledge of existence, morality and workable political systems.

Clearly overlooks what the Inspired Word of Almighty God (YHWH) clearly shows at Jeremiah 10:23, "I know, O Lord, that the way of a man is not his: neither is it in a man to walk, and to direct his steps." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB). Which states a truth, man is not capable of directing his own steps, but needs Almighty God (YHWH). This is clearly shown by the current political state existing in the world today. Mankind has had thousands of years with respect to trying to politically direct his own steps, and the result - chaos with much violence.

To learn more, check out the following:

[1] religioustruths.proboards59.com/ An Educational Referral Forum

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[3] jude3.proboards92.com/ A Free-Speech Forum For All

[4] www.freewebs.com/iris_the_preacher My web site.

Your Friend in Christ Iris89

[iris89]

Sequel 1 to Reply to a None-Believer Who Quoted a Worldly Philosopher, Jim Walker

This same poster instead of dealing with my post came out with some nonsense on Matthew 5:48 which I answered as follows:

First, With respect to Matthew 5:48, "Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (American Standard Version; ASV); as usual you fail to comprehend what is being spoken of. But let's consider what world renown scholars of the Bible have to say about that scripture in context,

Matthew Henry said,

#43-48 The Jewish teachers by "neighbour" understood only those who were of their own country, nation, and religion, whom they were pleased to look upon as their friends. The Lord Jesus teaches that we must do all the real kindness we can to all, especially to their souls. We must pray for them. While many will render good for good, we must render good for evil; and this will speak a nobler principle than most men act by. Others salute their brethren, and embrace those of their own party, and way, and opinion, but we must not so confine our respect. It is the duty of Christians to desire, and aim at, and press towards perfection in grace and holiness. And therein we must study to conform ourselves to the example of our heavenly Father, #1Pe 1:15,16. Surely more is to be expected from the followers of Christ than from others; surely more will be found in them than in others. Let us beg of God to enable us to prove ourselves his children. [source - Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary]

And,

Matthew Poole said,

Ver. 48. Perfect here is not taken in that sense as it is taken in other texts of Scripture, where it signifieth sincerity and uprightness, as #Job 2:3, or where it signifieth a comparative perfection, as Paul saith he spake to those that were perfect; but for an absolute perfection, such as is in our

Father which is in heaven, and so much is signified by the proposing of our heavenly Father as our example. Nor will it therefore follow, either that this is a mere counsel, not a precept, or that an absolute perfection in holiness is a thing in this life attainable. But that it is our duty to labour for it, forgetting what is behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, pressing towards the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus, as the apostle speaks, #Php 3:13,14. Pro perfecto est qui perfecto proximus. God accounts him perfect who is nearest to perfection. [source - Matthew Poole's Commentary]

And,

Barnes' said,

Verse 48. Be ye therefore perfect, {m} even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Ver. 48. Be ye therefore perfect, he concludes this part of the discourse by commanding his disciples to be perfect. This word commonly means finished, complete, pure, holy. Originally it is applied to a piece of mechanism, as a machine that is complete in its parts. Applied to men, it refers to completeness of parts, or perfection, when no part is defective or wanting. Thus Job {#Job 1:1} is said to be perfect; that is, not holy as God, or sinless-for fault is afterwards found with him, {#Job 9:20 42:6} but his piety was proportionate-had a completeness of parts-was consistent and regular, he exhibited his religion as a prince, a father, an individual, a benefactor of the poor. He was not merely a pious man in one place, but uniformly. He was consistent everywhere. This was the meaning in Matthew. Be not religious merely in loving your friends and neighbours, but let your piety be shown in loving your enemies; be perfect; imitate God; let the piety be complete, and proportionate, and regular. This every Christian may be; this every Christian must be.

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1. The gospel pronounces blessings on things far different from what the world has thought to be a source of happiness. Men suppose that happiness is to be found in mirth, in wealth, in honour, in esteem, in freedom from persecution. Christ says that it is to be sought in the reverse. Often men are most happy in poverty, in sickness, in persecution, when supported by the presence and promises of a merciful God. And if God appoints our station there, we should submit to it, and learn therewith to be content.

2. We may see the evil of anger. It is a species of murder If secretly cherished, or exhibited by contempt and injury, it must bring down the displeasure of God. It is a source of misery. True enjoyment is found in meekness, peace, calmness, and benevolence. In such a firmness, and steadiness, and dependence on God, as to keep the soul unruffled in the midst of provocation, is happiness. Such was Christ.

3. We see the evil of indelicacy of feeling and sentiment, and the extreme strictness and severity of the law respecting the intercourse of the sexes, #Mt 5:28 And yet what law is more frequently violated? By obscene anecdotes and tales; by songs and jibes; by double meanings and innuendoes; by looks and gestures; by conversation, and obscene books and pictures, this law of our Saviour is perpetually violated. If there is any one sentiment of most value for the comfort, the character, the virtuous sociability of the young-one that will shed the greatest charm over society, and make it the most pure-it is that which inculcates perfect delicacy and purity in the intercourse of the sexes. Virtue of any kind never blooms when this is not cherished. Modesty and purity once gone, every flower that would diffuse its fragrance over life, withers and dies with it. There is no one sin that so withers and blights every virtue; none that so enfeebles and prostrates every ennobling feeling of the soul, as to indulge in a life of impurity. How should purity dwell in the heart; breathe from the lips; kindle in the eye; live in the imagination; and dwell in the intercourse of all the young! An eternal, avenging God is near to every wanton thought; marks every eye that kindles with impure desire; rolls the thunder of justice over every polluted soul; and is preparing woe for every violator of the laws of purity and chastity, #Pr 7:22,23 5:5 2:18.

4. Revenge is equally forbidden. Persecution, slander, wilful prosecution, anger, personal abuse, duelling, suicide, murder, are all violations of the law of God, and all must call down his vengeance.

5. We are bound to love our enemies, This is a law of Christianity, original and peculiar. No system but this has required it, and no act of Christian piety is more difficult. None shows more the power of the grace of God; none is more ornamental to the character; none more like God; and none furnishes better evidence of piety. He that can meet a man kindly who is seeking his hurt; who can speak well of one that is perpetually slandering and cursing him; that can pray for a man that abuses, injures, and wounds him; and that can seek heaven for him that wishes his d**nation, is in the way to life. This is religion, beautiful as its native skies; pure like its Source; kind like its Author; fresh like the dews of the morning; clear and diffusive like the beams of the rising sun; and holy like the feelings and words that come from the bosom of the Son of God. He that can do this need not doubt that he is a Christian. He has caught the very spirit of the Saviour, and he must inherit eternal life. [source - Barnes' New Testament Notes]

And my next reply was:

This same poster instead of dealing with my post continued on with more silly questions and I replied to him as follows:

Your entire post clearly shows a lack of comprehension and a desire to be argumentative rather than a spirit of a willingness to learn. In other words, you are clearly just trying to find fault, but not considering the critical factor; to wit, the context in which each item occurred and even more importantly WHY. I have no intention into going over each item once more as we have been through it all before, i.e., same abusive nonsense so why should I waste time answering? But I shall mention a specific case that illustrates the WHYS.

This is the case where many of the Isralites willfully violated the first commandment found at Exodus 20:3, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (American Standard Version; ASV).

Numbers 25:1-8, "And Israel abode in nutstim; and the people began to play the harlot with the daughters of Moab: 2 for they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods; and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. 3 And Israel joined himself unto Baal-peor: and the anger of Jehovah was kindled against Israel. 4 And Jehovah said unto Moses, Take all the chiefs of the people, and hang them up unto Jehovah before the sun, that the fierce anger of Jehovah may turn away from Israel. 5 And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that have joined themselves unto Baal-peor. 6 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, while they were weeping at the door of the tent of meeting. 7 And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from the midst of the congregation, and took a spear in his hand; 8 and he went after the man of Israel into the pavilion, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her body. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel." (ASV).

As usual you are not asking to learn but to argue which is wrong and I am not going to indulge your wrong motive.

And my reply to his next post was:

One poster on another forum said,

Quote:Once again, ???????? is not questioning acts of God, because he does not believe the alleged acts - if they occurred at all - were of God.

Indeed, most of the barbaric acts documented in the holy texts were those of mere humans claiming divine authority.

My answer to that was,

I answer to reality, the truth, per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (American Standard Version; ASV), and what I put forth in my last two post is the facts. I am not a mind reader and do not care what ????????????????? has in his mind but only what he post.

He said his questions were rhetorical so let's now look at the meaning of rhetorical from an encyclopedia:

Rhetoric (from Greek (from Greek ??t??, rhêtôr, orator, teacher) rhêtôr, orator, teacher) is generally understood to be the art Latin or technique Greek of persuasion through the use of oral, visual, or written language. However, this definition has expanded greatly since rhetoric emerged as a field of study in universities. In this sense, there is a divide between classical rhetoric (with the aforementioned definition) and contemporary practices of rhetoric which include the analysis of written and visual texts. In contraposition to scientific debates, rhetorical arguments, as in politics or even justice, do not make use of demonstrable or tested truths but resort to fallible opinions, popular perceptions, transient beliefs, chosen evidence or evidence at hand (like statistics), which are all properly called commonplaces as they help establish a commonality of understanding between the orator or rhetor and his/her audience.[[Whereas, I make reference to absolute truths.]]

...

Rhetoric defiled: Finding all possible means of persuasion and using every single one until the other person collapses from exhaustion. Rhetoric is epidictic (praise & blame (teaching)), forensic (court, proof, scientific), deliberative (government, fancy talk/saucy words). Rhetoric can appeal to people using logos, pathos, and ethos. Bacon has one (add later). McCluen has one too (also add later).[1]

Contemporary studies of rhetoric have a more diverse range of practices and meanings than was the case in ancient times. The concept of rhetoric has thus shifted widely during its 2500-year history. Rhetoricians have recently argued that the classical understanding of rhetoric is limited because persuasion depends on communication, which in turn depends on meaning. Thus the scope of rhetoric is understood to include much more than simply public--legal and political--discourse. This emphasis on meaning and how it is constructed and conveyed draws on a large body of critical and social theory (see literary theory and Critical Theory), philosophy (see Post-structuralism and Hermeneutics), and problems in social science methodology (see Reflexivity). So while rhetoric has traditionally been thought of being involved in such arenas as politics, law, public relations, lobbying, marketing and advertising, the study of rhetoric has recently entered into diverse fields such as humanities, religion, social sciences, law,[2] science, journalism, history, literature and even cartography and architecture. Every aspect of human life and thought that depends on the articulation and communication of meaning can be said to involve elements of the rhetorical. "In the last ten years, many scholars have investigated exactly how rhetoric works within a particular field";[3][4][5][6]

[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ]

Of course Hermeneutic writing is often used to mislead or deceive individuals especially with respect to Almighty God (YHWH), religion, and politics. At present, we are seeing extensive use of hermeneutic writing to mislead people with respect to who is the best political candidate for President of the USA. I find a lot of what is being said an exercise in deceit. Likewise, Prometheous uses it in the same way as politicians.

An excellent example of using hermeneutic (rhetorical) writings to mislead and deceive is the "Westiminster Confession." Cornelius Burges is much more the master of this art of deception than Prometheous can ever hope to be, but one can only wonder why he fights so hard against Almighty God (YHWH) if he truly believes he does not exist since then he would be fighting against nothing. Now let's look at the first part of an article that exposes the hermeneutic (rhetorical) methods for misleading and deceit by none other than the master of this method, Cornelius Burges:

WESTMINSTER CONFESSION AN EXAMPLE OF TWISTING BY USE OF HERMENEUTIC METHODOLOGY TO BACK UP A MYTH/FALSE DOCTRINE:

<INTRODUCTION>

The Westminster Confession of faith was written by one Cornelius Burges, Assessor to the Westminster Assembly, in 1646. He was a very skilled individual with respect twisting the scriptures and chose hermeneutic methodology over 'Sola Scriptura' methodology as hermeneutic methodology was well suited for twisting the scripture to eloquently make it appear that the Word of God supported what ever you wanted it to; whereas, this could NOT be done with 'Sola Scripture' methodology unless it was greatly distorted and no longer true 'Sola Scriptura' methodology.

In Section 2 of the Westminister Confession of faith dealing with the Trinity myth which he supported, he did a masterpiece of deception in obfuscating the Word of God to make it appear that it backed his favorite myth/false doctrine of the Trinity which of course it does not. In fact, nowhere does the word Trinity even appear in the Bible, as was noted by the International Encyclopedia of the Bible (*1). He carefully crafted his deception in three parts, the first, 'There is but one only living, and true God:' is true and designed to throw one off guard to the deception to follow in the last part of Section 2, clever as is the deception of any con man. The second part, 'God hath all life,(a) glory,(b) goodness,(c) blessedness,(d) in and of Himself;' is likewise basically true, but with some very subtle deception or twisting in it designed to develop the readers confidence so the reader will gulp down the God (YHWH) dishonoring false doctrine and myth of the third part as Truth which of course it is anything but.

To read the entire research product article, go to,

[go to #1] jude3.proboards92.com/index.cgi?board=doctrine&action=display&thread=1199643124 [on 01/12/2008]

[go to #2] religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=trinity&thread=1165965705&page=1 [on 01/12/2008]

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[4] www.freewebs.com/iris_the_preacher My web site.

Your Friend in Christ Iris89

[iris89]

Sequel #2 to Reply to a None-Believer Who Quoted a Worldly

The None-Believer, on another forum, said the following misleading nonsense,

If you go back and reread my post in which I quoted your quote from Matthew 5:48, I never asked a question about that verse specifically. Crikey!

I even explained further that the reason for my other questions immediately after that was to stimulate thinking as to how people in different times may have had different projected conceptions of their deity and therefore might behave differently.

I answered as follows,

Yes, you said the following,

If you go back and reread my post in which I quoted your quote from Matthew 5:48, I never asked a question about that verse specifically. Crikey!

I even explained further that the reason for my other questions immediately after that was to stimulate thinking as to how people in different times may have had different projected conceptions of their deity and therefore might behave differently.

I see that ????????????? can easily make the distinction. Why can't you?

Because I am wise to your methods and have already dealt with the deceitful and misleading by use of rhetorical (hermeneutic) methods in my post to him. You do not fool me for a minute with these methods which are best answered with absolute and abundant reality per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (American Standard Version; ASV).

Also, In a previous post I dealt with the reality, the truth, with respect Hitler, Stalin, and other bad actors for which you deceitfully used the label Christian without specifying which of the two classifications of the term "Christian" applied to them; to wit, as I said in that post,

Most religions of the world take a two part single path as they have some good and some bad. However, so called Christianity did NOT follow in the mold of other religions such as the Hindus, Islam, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, etc. Instead, so called Christianity took two different paths. These two paths are as follows:

[1] In 325 AD the greater part of the so called Christian faith went apostate to when the good favor of a pagan emperor, a worshipper of the Unconquered Sun. And this branch of apostate Christians went on to commit many atrocities such as the rape of Goa, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the burning of individuals at the stake for disagreeing with them including one Bruno for simply saying that the earth revolved around the sun; whereas, they said the sun revolved around the earth.

[2] A second and much smaller group of Christians that remained genuine Christians and did NOT go apostate, but followed in the footsteps of Christ their leader and savior. These did NOT commit any atrocities.

Thus, as can be readily seen, Christianity did not take the same path as most other religions that of having some good and some bad, but instead had a bad large group, and a much smaller good group. The colonial powers, however, brought the bad group to India, Pakistan, the New World [most of South America and North America], and many of the islands of the sea; and they went on committing atrocities in all of these places. This was because the apostate Christians were actually doing Satan the Devils' work per 2 Corinthians 4:4, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); and John 5:19, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." (AV).

WRONG OPINION HELD BY MANY:

Due to the wrong actions, atrocities, committed by the first group, the apostate Christians, "[1] In 325 AD the greater part of the so called Christian faith went apostate to when the good favor of a pagan emperor, a worshipper of the Unconquered Sun. And this branch of apostate Christians went on to commit many atrocities such as the rape of Goa, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the burning of individuals at the stake for disagreeing with them including one Bruno for simply saying that the earth revolved around the sun; whereas, they said the sun revolved around the earth." Many hold wrong opinions of ALL Christians. Why? Because they have generalized the actions and wrongs of the first group and incorrectly applied them to genuine footstep followers of Christ also, the "[2] A second and much smaller group of Christians that remained genuine Christians and did NOT go apostate, but followed in the footsteps of Christ their leader and savior. These did NOT commit any atrocities."

Of course this generalization results in a wrong understanding of Christianity on the part of many. One writer who did NOT understand the crucial difference between these two groups said,

"You use one bunch of Christians to expose the bullsh**t propagated by another bunch of Christians. All of the Christians are more than 50% crap."

Clearly showing he had no comprehension of the two different paths taken by so called Christianity.

Another writer, in this case a Hindu, showed the same lack of comprehension with respect the two different paths taken by so called Christianity and said.

"You just using counterfeit christianity as a tool to dissaccociate yourself from the same christians that commited the most horrendous attrocities, live with it, you all have blood stained on your hands, I admit I am ashamed of what the brahmins, what's dont is done, we are doing what we can to uplift the dalits."

Obviously this individual also does not understand that so called Christianity took two different paths, and is NOT being rational either as he has shown that he can not bear to hear the truth, the facts? Well let's look at the counterfeit side of Christianity and the atrocities they have committed, and maybe individual like these two will start to realize the truth with respect the two different paths so called Christianity took.

Most religions of the world take a two part single path as they have some good and some bad. However, so called Christianity did NOT follow in the mold of other religions such as the Hindus, Islam, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, etc. Instead, so called Christianity took two different paths. These two paths are as follows:

[1] In 325 AD the greater part of the so called Christian faith went apostate to when the good favor of a pagan emperor, a worshipper of the Unconquered Sun. And this branch of apostate Christians went on to commit many atrocities such as the rape of Goa, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the burning of individuals at the stake for disagreeing with them including one Bruno for simply saying that the earth revolved around the sun; whereas, they said the sun revolved around the earth.

[2] A second and much smaller group of Christians that remained genuine Christians and did NOT go apostate, but followed in the footsteps of Christ their leader and savior. These did NOT commit any atrocities.

Thus, as can be readily seen, Christianity did not take the same path as most other religions that of having some good and some bad, but instead had a bad large group, and a much smaller good group. The colonial powers, however, brought the bad group to India, Pakistan, the New World [most of South America and North America], and many of the islands of the sea; and they went on committing atrocities in all of these places. This was because the apostate Christians were actually doing Satan the Devils' work per 2 Corinthians 4:4, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); and John 5:19, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." (AV).

WRONG OPINION HELD BY MANY:

Due to the wrong actions, atrocities, committed by the first group, the apostate Christians, "[1] In 325 AD the greater part of the so called Christian faith went apostate to when the good favor of a pagan emperor, a worshipper of the Unconquered Sun. And this branch of apostate Christians went on to commit many atrocities such as the rape of Goa, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the burning of individuals at the stake for disagreeing with them including one Bruno for simply saying that the earth revolved around the sun; whereas, they said the sun revolved around the earth." Many hold wrong opinions of ALL Christians. Why? Because they have generalized the actions and wrongs of the first group and incorrectly applied them to genuine footstep followers of Christ also, the "[2] A second and much smaller group of Christians that remained genuine Christians and did NOT go apostate, but followed in the footsteps of Christ their leader and savior. These did NOT commit any atrocities."

Of course this generalization results in a wrong understanding of Christianity on the part of many. One writer who did NOT understand the crucial difference between these two groups said,

"You use one bunch of Christians to expose the bullsh**t propagated by another bunch of Christians. All of the Christians are more than 50% crap."

Clearly showing he had no comprehension of the two different paths taken by so called Christianity.

Another writer, in this case a Hindu, showed the same lack of comprehension with respect the two different paths taken by so called Christianity and said.

"You just using counterfeit christianity as a tool to dissaccociate yourself from the same christians that commited the most horrendous attrocities, live with it, you all have blood stained on your hands, I admit I am ashamed of what the brahmins, what's dont is done, we are doing what we can to uplift the dalits."

Obviously this individual also does not understand that so called Christianity took two different paths, and is NOT being rational either as he has shown that he can not bear to hear the truth, the facts? Well let's look at the counterfeit side of Christianity and the atrocities they have committed, and maybe individual like these two will start to realize the truth with respect the two different paths so called Christianity took. [source - Discourse on the Two Paths of So Called Christianity - The Genuine and the Counterfeit]

Clearly you are out to mislead by rhetorical (hermeneutic) type post as you FAILED to say whether those you were labeling "Christians" were genuine (true) followers of Christ and/or counterfeit so called individuals that only claimed to follow him, but in reality never did, the apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians who were in reality no more his genuine followers than you are.

My rebutal reply to one agreeing in part with the none-believer on another forum:

Hi ?????????????

First, You said the following,

Hitler may well have thought he was acting in accordance with his own twisted Christianity, or he may have been cynically using Christian terminology as cover to deflect criticism. We will never know. Stalin made no such pretense, as far as I know.

Religion does not cause evil. People will find any excuse - religious or otherwise - to do evil. Religion merely provides a great tool for those who wish to do evil, because it brings followers who are willing (under threat of divine punishment) to suppress their own consciences in favor of dogma in the belief that this is what God would want. It evokes the wisdom of Steven Weinberg:

And are basically correct except for the fact that Stalin was once quite religious. Also, false religious belief leads people to do wrong things. As I have said before,

You are just fooling yourself, it is not what either the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an actually say, but how religious leaders be they priest and/or imams or muftis or what ever teach the people is the interpretation of what is written either in the Bible or the bible knockoff the Qur'an that matters and governs actions. It matters not what the Bible and/or the Bible knockoff really say. People go by what they are taught by their religious leaders. Take the genocide committed by the Roman Catholic Church at the direction of their supreme religious leader, the pope, what mattered was not that the Bible clearly said at Exodus 20:13, "Thou shalt not kill." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), but what their religious leaders told them. Therefore, it is the religion at fault, irregardless of what their particular holy book, be it the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an may say. Neither in so called Christianity or in Islam are most individuals actions really governed in any way by what their particular holy book really says, but they are governed by the interpretation of their religious leaders. Thus, knowing this reality, one would be either just plain stupid and/or dumb to even bother looking at a particular religion's holy book and expect the members would conform to it. Take the Rig Vede and find me for example a Hindu actually conforming to it instead of the interpretation given to it by his religious leaders, like looking for a needle in the haystack per K.S. Lal, India's greatest historian.

Second, You are quite in ERROR when you say,

Iris creates this dichotomy of "true and false Christians" and then chides you for not using her taxonomy. The obvious problem with this is that it is impossible (plus not our job) to determine who is a true (insert believer type here) and who is a false one. I suspect that Iris' opinion differs from that of many, if not most Christians as to who is "true" and not, which makes her insistence all the more ironic.

Because I have clearly shown that actions and belief set the two groups apart so now I shall summarize the differences.

Group 1 - the genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ do NOT involve themselves with war and violence and try to follow to the 'letter' the words and commandments of Christ. Also, they have NO creedal doctrines and/or traditions.

Group 2 - the false claimants of being followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ involve themselves with war and violence while falsely claiming to be followers of Christ, the Prince of Peace. The give 'lip' service with respect following to the 'letter' the words and commandments of Christ - the term Sunday Christian aptly fits them. They have their creedal doctrines and/or traditions and assign more importance to these than the Inspired Word of Almighty God (YHWH), the Bible.

So it is NOT my taxonomy but reality that sets the two groups clearly apart as separate classifications. Also, it is not my opinion that sets the two separate groups that are called "Christians" apart, but clearly the diametrically opposed actions of the two groups.

There for your claim, ", if not most Christians as to who is "true" and not, which makes her insistence all the more ironic." Is factually incorrect.

For more information on this subject, go to the following:

[go to #1] Discourse on the Two Paths of So Called Christianity - The Genuine and the Counterfeit at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=monetheist&thread=1163177849&page=1 [on 01/12/2008]

[go to #2] EXAMPLE OF MISLEADING WRITINGS THAT DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE CRITICAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN APOSTATE (COUNTERFEIT) CHRISTIANS AND GENUINE (TRUE) CHRISTIANS: at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=christianity&thread=1167156254 [on 01/12/2008]

[go to #3] What Are The Differences Between Mainstream Religions and Monotheistic Bible is the Standard Religions? At,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?board=monetheist&action=display&thread=1162918952 [on 01/12/2008]

[go to #4] Mainstream Religion More Influenced By Pagan Philosophers Than The Bible: at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=christianity&thread=1178644270&page=1 [on 01/12/2008]

[go to #5] Belief In The Trinity A Distinguishing Feature Between Apostate And Genuine Christians
religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=monetheist&thread=1178557993&page=1 [on 01/12/2008]

[go to #6] Difference Between Monotheist and Polytheist Is In Who They Worship: at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=monetheist&thread=1171760986 [on 01/12/2008]

[go to #7] Distinguishing Between True and false Christians: at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=monetheist&thread=1178418377 [on 01/12/2008]

One poster, on another forum, said the following ERROR;

It would truly be wonderful if only real life were so simple. Unfortunately, the only place such "divisions" are as clear as you suggest is in your mind.

Classifying what we see is one area humans excel. Our ability to find patterns helps us assess threats and situations quickly, and this has helped as much as anything else to put us on top of the food chain. The reality is, however, that our senses can't always be fully trusted. Nor do any two of us interptet something the same way. This is because all our processing takes place in context of our own unique experiences.

What happens fairly often is that we will see patterns when they aren't actually there. People who claim to see ghosts and such paranormal entities are, IMO, imposing an interpretation that is not supported by reality. This is what you are also doing when you assign convenient lines to people you group. A little study of neurology will help you see the potential inaccuracy.

Which clearly shows that this poster is NOT being very observant with regard the world around him. I have added clarification to the distinction between the two very different groups or taxonomy's of what is labeled "Christian" to make the distinction between these diametrically different groups even more clear. I have added the part about meddleing in world politics which the group of the second part, Group 2, regularly does, but the group of the first part, Group 1, never does as they abide by James 4:4, "Ye adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore would be a friend of the world maketh himself an enemy of God." (American Standard Version; ASV). Now let's look at the classification definitions for both groups.

Group 1 - the genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ do NOT involve themselves with war and violence, nor the political things of the world, and try to follow to the 'letter' the words and commandments of Christ. Also, they have NO creedal doctrines and/or traditions.

Group 2 - the false claimants of being followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ involve themselves with war and violence while falsely claiming to be followers of Christ, the Prince of Peace, and involve themselves in the political things of the world. The give 'lip' service with respect following to the 'letter' the words and commandments of Christ - the term Sunday Christian aptly fits them. They have their creedal doctrines and/or traditions and assign more importance to these than the Inspired Word of Almighty God (YHWH), the Bible.

False Religions of The World Meddle in Politics

INTRODUCTION:

False religion of all flavors, i.e., apostate (counterfeit) Christian, Islam, Buddhist, Devil Worshippers, etc., all meddle in politics around the entire world. Clearly false religion is identified as such by this looking to the politics of men to solve their problems and/or to gain power over others, and they forget what Jeremiah, the prophet of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, said long ago that is recorded at Jeremiah 10:23, "O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. " (Authorized King James Bible; AV) .

Why is the meddling in politics a characteristic of false religion that sets them apart from true religion? Let's look at 1 John 5:19, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." (AV), which clearly shows that the true followers of Jesus (Yeshua) and his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, would NOT be apart of the worldly political system. But they would be looking for the solution of this world's problems in the Kingdom of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, that all true followers of Jesus (Yeshua) pray for as he did at Matthew 6:9-10, "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.." (AV).

In fact, true followers of Jesus (Yeshua) are clearly warned to stay clear of the wicked political system of this world at James 4:4, "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." (AV) ; and 1 John 2:15-16, "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.." (AV) .

In fact, Jesus (Yeshua) said at John 17:16, "They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world." (AV) , with respect his genuine (true) his footstep followers.

METTELING BY FALSE RELIGION RECOGNIZED I ASIAWEEK:

An article in the journal Asiaweek which basically confirms the fact that false religion and corrupt politicians meddles in each other's affairs as follows, <<"Across Asia and beyond, power-hungry leaders are cynically manipulating people's religious sentiments for their own needs.">> And the journal goes on to warn, <<"The world threatens to sink into madness.">> It also reports that a prominent religious leader in the United States said, <<"You've got to kill the terrorist before the killing stops." And his final solution? "Blow them all away in the name of the Lord."[source - Asiaweek]>>.

See Part Two:

[iris89]

Part Two of Sequel #2:



However, in contrast to this, the Bible clearly says at 1 John 4:20, "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" (Authorized King James Bible; AV). In fact, Jesus (Yeshua), the Isa, plainly said at Matthew 5:44, "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" (AV).

Clearly showing the intertwining between corrupt politicians and religions that think of and/or bless engaging in war.

TRUE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS (YESHUA) DO NOT SEEK ASSOCIATION WITH CORRUPT WORLDLY SYSTEM:

The Bible clearly shows that genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) do NOT seek association with the corrupt political system or religions that bless war at 1 Peter 4:3-4, "For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:" (AV) ; and 1 John 2:15, "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." (AV); and 2 Timothy 2:22, "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." (AV); and Psalms 26:4-6, "4 I have not sat with vain persons, neither will I go in with dissemblers. 5 I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and will not sit with the wicked. 6 I will wash mine hands in innocency: so will I compass thine altar, O LORD:" (AV) .

DO NOT IDOLIZE MEN AND ORGANIZATIONS:

Genuine (true) Christians do not idolize men or organizations in keeping with 1 Corinthians 10:14, "Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry." (AV): and Romans 1:25, "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." (AV); and Acts 12:21-23, "And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. 22 And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice o***od, and not of a man. 23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost." (AV); and Matthew 4:10 where Jesus (Yeshua) showed his kingdom was not this worldly system when he rejected Satan's offer of all the worldly kingdoms, but did NOT dispute that they belonged to Satan and that he could give then to whom he wanted, "Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (AV) .

CONCLUSION:

This world is just plain and has as its unseen ruler, Satan the Devil, per John 14:30, "Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me." (AV); and 1 John 5:19, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." (AV); and Revelations 12:9, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (AV).


Here is my answer to one poster on another forum that is WRONGLY trying to ascribe evil to Almighty God (YHWH), and yet claims that Almighty God (YHWH) does NOT exist must be a really mixed up person. Why. Since anyone who would fight so hard against Almighty God (YHWH), yet claim he does not exist is truly irrational since if his claim is true, he would be fighting against nothing, this is a very irrational act.

??????????????? is trying to ascribe an evil motive to the dividing of spoils of a judgment execution war against the ungodly, but why so since nothing in Numbers chapter 31 would indicate such. As one writer put it,

Valuables captured in War. Numbers 31: 28-30 describes the division of the valuables among the warriors, Israel, the Levites and the High priest according to a specific formula.
The captured people, animals, Jewels and other valuables were divided in two. One portion went to the warriors and the rest went to Israel.
„h Levites. 1% or (1/50) received from the half given to Israel.
„h High Priest. 0.1% or (1/500) received from the half given to the warriors.
[source - Salvation Mathematics: (Numbers in the Bible) "Explore the Word. Change the World" , at www.teachinghearts.org/dre17httnumber.html ]

In Numbers chapter 31, nothing indicates that the captive virgins were used for any wrong purpose as ??????????????? is wrongly trying to insinuate, and the renown Bible scholar I previously quoted, from but will now make an amplified quote from again to show no such evil as ??????????????? is wrongly trying to insinuate.

* War with Midian. (#1-6) Balaam slain. (#7-12) Those slain who caused sin. (#13-38) Purification of the Israelites. (#39-24) Division of the spoil. (#25-47) Offerings. (#48-54)

#1-6 All who, without commission from God, dare to execute private revenge, and who, from ambition, covetousness, or resentment, wage war and desolate kingdoms, must one day answer for it. But if God, instead of sending an earthquake, a pestilence, or a famine, be pleased to authorize and command any people to avenge his cause, such a commission surely is just and right. The Israelites could show such a commission, though no persons now can do so. Their wars were begun and carried on expressly by Divine direction, and they were enabled to conquer by miracles. Unless it can be proved that the wicked Canaanites did not deserve their doom, objectors only prove their dislike to God, and their love to his enemies. Man makes light of the evil of sin, but God abhors it. This explains the terrible executions of the nations which had filled the measure of their sins.

#7-12 The Israelites slew the Kings of Midian. They slew Balaam. God¡¦s overruling providence brought him thither, and their just vengeance found him. Had he himself rightly believed what he had said of the happy state of Israel, he would not have thus herded with the enemies of Israel. The Midianites¡¦ wicked wiles were Balaam¡¦s projects: it was just that he should perish with them, #Ho 4:5. They took the women and children captives. They burnt their cities and castles, and returned to the camp.

#13-18 The sword of war should spare women and children; but the sword of justice should know no distinction, but that of guilty or not guilty. This war was the execution of a righteous sentence upon a guilty nation, in which the women were the worst criminals. The female children were spared, who, being brought up among the Israelites, would not tempt them to idolatry. The whole history shows the hatefulness of sin, and the guilt of tempting others; it teaches us to avoid all occasions of evil, and to give no quarter to inward lusts. The women and children were not kept for sinful purposes, but for slaves, a custom every where practised in former times, as to captives. In the course of providence, when famine and plagues visit a nation for sin, children suffer in the common calamity. In this case parents are punished in their children; and for children dying before actual sin, full provision is made as to their eternal happiness, by the mercy of God in Christ.

#19-24 The Israelites had to purify themselves according to the law, and to abide without the camp seven days, though they had not contracted any moral guilt, the war being just and lawful, and commanded by God. Thus God would preserve in their minds a dread and detestation of shedding blood. The spoil had been used by Midianites, and being now come into the possession of Israelites, it was fit that it should be purified.

#25-47 Whatever we have, God justly claims a part. Out of the people¡¦s share God required one in fifty, but out of the soldiers¡¦ share only one in five hundred. The less opportunity we have of honouring God with personal services, the more should we give in money or value.[source ¡V Matthew Henry¡¦s Concise Commentary]

Interestingly it is quite strange and a contradiction that a none-believer would fight so hard against Almighty God (YHWH) whom he claims does not exist, since if his wrong claim were true, he would be fighting against nothing. So obviously he is somewhat delusional or something.


As I told a none-believer poster on another forum as answer to his latest post:

As usual you show a lack of comprehension as shown by your latest post,

When you make your posts trying to show the errors of Islam, are you actually fighting against Allah? Do you ascribe evil to Allah? Or do you think it is those that believe in Allah and Muhammad that are in error and ascribe their own questionable motives and violent acts to what to them is a very real guiding object in their life?

As I have said before, but you seem to have amnesia,

Now all need to be showing love to their neighbors including Jews and telling them of the first step toward salvation given at John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (AV). Messages of hate assist no one in learning the truth per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV).

Take my post for example, they have a worthy objective; to wit, exposing false doctrine so individuals can correct their wrong path. My post are NOT ones of hate, as are many of others, but ones that expose false doctrine and wrong practice. All should read them instead of posting false accusations, as you will find not one word of hate or bashing in my articles, only truth. They are posted to assist all in knowing the truth, per John 8:32, and to assist all in making a change in their lives by getting out of groups and/or religions that practice false doctrine and wrong practices.

All need to learn about love and that includes warning others with respect false doctrine and wrong practices instead of thinking of hate such as those examples you mentioned,

Love is patient and is kind, love does not envy. Love does not brag, is not proud, does not behave itself inappropriately, does not seek its own way, is not provoked, takes no account of evil. does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things... I Corinthians 13

Love is the power of faith. Faith needs love to be made perfect, because perfect faith results in faithfullness and faithfullness is a work of love. Faith and love go hand in hand because faith wants to believe, just as love trusts, faith sees through the darkness and weathers the storm, just as love endures all things, and faith seeks to put God first just as love always gives. 1 Corinthians 13 :4-7 Our faith is not just knowledge about God but a personal relationship with Him as Lord, and any relationship requires love to succeed, to endure trials and to grow, including our relationships with one another because we are called to be family in the Lord and to love one another. The perfect example of faith powered by love is seen in the life of Jesus Christ, who manifests Gods love ...
Because love is the power of faith we should focus on love, seize it and cultivate it... and we can because God is love, and He imparts that love to us when we draw near to Him as the scripture says... whatever touches what is holy shall become holy Leviticus 6:27, and love is of the Holy Spirit. By faith we draw near to God through sincere prayer, entering into His presence, because when Jesus died on the cross, the temple curtain separating God and man was torn in two from top to bottom... Mathew 27:51 Gods promise says that if we draw near to Him then He will draw near to us, James 4:8 and when He who is Holy draws near to us then our spirits are sanctified by His Holy Spirit as His holiness is imparted to our spirits. If we allow God to fill our hearts with His Holy Spirit then we are filled with the love of God because love is the pre-eminate characteristic of God's holiness. Because God is the source of our love, love is the fruit of faith... Galatians 5: 22
When we submit to the love of God we have combined faith with love and have the power to fulfill the royal law, which is to love the Lord with all our heart, mind and soul... Mathew 22:37-39 If we keep the royal law James 2:8 we are being faithful and are perfecting faith by faithfullness... James 2:22 If we love God we will seek to please Him and keep the royal law because the royal law embraces Gods will and all of His commandments. Without love we can't fulfill the royal law because we can't love the Lord unless we have love. To manifest the love of God is to overcome sin, whereas to not manifest the love of God is to sin. For the royal law is not to know about the Lord, but to love the Lord... and to love one another as ourselves. We can't do one without the other, because we can't truly love God whom we can't see if we don't love mankind who is made in the image of God. When we love one another we are manifesting our love for God whom we can't see by loving His image. If we love one another then we also love God because we can't love the reflection without loving its source. And if we love God we will love Jesus Christ and allow Him to reign in our hearts, keepings all of His commandments John 14:21 by subduing the will and power of the flesh through the power of the Holy Spirit, so that faith working through love does the will of God by turning the thought into reality which pleases Him and fulfills the royal law...
Faith without love is incomplete, residing only in the mind as knowledge, and knowledge of Gods will alone can not perfect us by saving us from sin but allowing Jesus Christ to reign in our hearts. If knowledge of Gods will alone could save us then salvation would have been through the law of Moses or even a Christian law handed down by Jesus, and there would not have been any need for Christ to die for our sins Galatians 2:21 and dwell in our hearts. If Jesus reigns in our hearts then the love of Christ also reigns because He is the manifestation of Gods love. The heart without the love of God does not have Jesus Christ and the soul without the Spirit of Christ is not born again Romans 8:9 and cannot be perfected by being transformed into the likeness of Jesus Christ which is true salvation and the result of faith. But the soul which manifests the love of God has been washed clean by the Holy Spirit Romans 15:16 and manifests the spirit and glory of Jesus Christ... "[source - Simon Strahler]

My next reply to one of his statements is as follows:

????????????? is at it again. He said the following which of course does not apply to genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ,

I do not have amnesia. It's just that you fail to comprehend the parallel. I in fact am warning against false religion and mythical gods that only exist as objects of belief in the minds that of the people that hold those beliefs.

It is the extreme and absolutist beliefs that people hold that can cause them to act out those beliefs. In some cases those beliefs can lead directly to violence on others that do not share those beliefs. Other times, people who want to believe the strange beliefs will justify acts of violence that were written about as though the deity said for the people to do them. So the people condone the violence as though the deity really did tell the people to do it. So again, it is the harmful beliefs that are held that are the problem, not the intended object that the belief holds in the mind of the subject, whatever the belief system may be.

And then goes on to say,

???????????????? understood the parallel. It is you that is either pretending not to see it and using a straw man logical fallacy or you are in total denial due to your cognitive bias and cognitive dissonance or you are just plain unwilling and/or incapable of admitting that beliefs can be so strong and yet be wrong and that you could be a victim of false beliefs yourself. Nope, it is always someone else that is WRONG in your mind. But only in your mind...

First, as noted above, he claims he does not have amnesia, but goes on to talk about how beliefs "directly to violence on others that do not share those beliefs." Which is true of wrong beliefs, but he fails to mention that genuine (true) followers, group 1 in my post, do not have wrong beliefs that would lead them to such violence. Would not this oversight be called temporary amnesia or amnesia of convenience?

Now let's review what I had said:

Group 1 - the genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ do NOT involve themselves with war and violence, nor the political things of the world, and try to follow to the 'letter' the words and commandments of Christ. Also, they have NO creedal doctrines and/or traditions.

Group 2 - the false claimants of being followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ involve themselves with war and violence while falsely claiming to be followers of Christ, the Prince of Peace, and involve themselves in the political things of the world. The give 'lip' service with respect following to the 'letter' the words and commandments of Christ - the term Sunday Christian aptly fits them. They have their creedal doctrines and/or traditions and assign more importance to these than the Inspired Word of Almighty God (YHWH), the Bible.

So as can be seen, he overlooked what I had said only a post or two before - temporary amnesia in all probability. Also, no strange beliefs are held by Group 1, the genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, nor do they get involved with wars or violence or politics, but seek peace and pursue it in keeping with 1 Peter 3:10-11, "For, He that would love life, And see good days, Let him refrain his tongue from evil, And his lips that they speak no guile: 11 And let him turn away from evil, and do good; Let him seek peace, and pursue it." (American Standard Version; ASV) .

Second, He overlooks reality of today, the genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ today are not members of the ancient nation of Israel, but in fact form a new nation acceptable to Almighty God (YHWH). He can not seem to visualize or realize this reality or truth per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV). Instead he keeps bringing up items from the time that ancient Israel was Almighty God (YHWH) chosen nation, and were used by Almighty God (YHWH) to execute his judgment on wicked people such as the Amorites. Now, let's look at who the Amorites were according to a reliable Bible dictionary:

Amorites

A people descended from Canaan, son of Ham. #Ge 10:16. They dwelt in the mountains, as their name signifies, and were apparently at times in the mountains both east and west of the Jordan. #Nu 13:29 Jos 5:1 Jud 1:34-36 10:8 1Ki 4:19. Being the most dominant and the most corrupt people or tribe they sometimes represent the Canaanites generally. #Ge 15:16 1Ki 21:26. When Abraham was at Hebron some confederated with him. #Ge 14:13. A remnant out of the Gentile nations was thus associated with the heir of promise, though Lot (a type of Israel after the flesh) had separated from him.

When Israel approached the promised land, they were in the east, and refused to let Israel pass; but they were overcome, their cities taken, and the people slain, with Sihon their king. #Nu 21:21-26 De 2:24 Am 2:9,10. Some must have escaped, for we read of them later, and one of the controversies Jehovah had with Israel was for worshipping their gods #Ezr 9:1,2. Solomon made them tributary. #1Ki 9:20,21 2Ch 8:7,8. The Gibeonites were a remnant of the Amorites. #2Sa 21:2. After this nothing is heard of them. The low state of Jerusalem (Judah) by nature is described by stating her origin, her father being an Amorite and her mother a Hittite, but God in grace had compassion upon her in her degradation, and raised her into great glory; though, alas, she was shamefully unfaithful. #Eze 16:3-43.[source - Concise Bible Dictionary]

He alludes to 2 Samuel 12:31, so let's look at what some world renown scholars had to say about this scripture:

Matthew Henry said,

2 Samuel 12:31, #26-31 To be thus severe in putting the children of Ammon to slavery was a sign that David's heart was not yet made soft by repentance, at the time when this took place. We shall be most compassionate, kind, and forgiving to others, when we most feel our need of the Lord's forgiving love, and taste the sweetness of it in our own souls.[source - Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary]

And, Matthew Poole said,

2 Samuel 12:31, Ver. 27. The same royal city so called, because it either stood beside the river, or was encompassed with water, both for defence and delight. Although the words are by some learned men rendered thus,

I have taken, or intercepted, or cut off water from the city; which well agrees, both with the words, eth being here put for meeth, which is frequent; as #Ge 4:1 44:4 Ex 9:29, &c.; and with the relation of Josephus the Jew, who saith, The conduits of water were cut off, and so the city was taken; and with a relation of Polybius concerning the same city, which was taken afterwards by Antiochus in the same manner, by cutting off water from the city.[source - Matthew Poole's Commentary]

And then, he jumps to Acts 13:22 which alludes to this event in the Old Testament, but let's see what a world renown scholar had to say on this scripture:

Matthew Henry said,

Acts 13:22, #14-31 When we come together to worship God, we must do it, not only by prayer and praise, but by the reading and hearing of the word of God. The bare reading of the Scriptures in public assemblies is not enough; they should be expounded, and the people exhorted out of them. This is helping people in doing that which is necessary to make the word profitable, to apply it to themselves. Every thing is touched upon in this sermon, which might best prevail with Jews to receive and embrace Christ as the promised Messiah. And every view, however short or faint, of the Lord's dealings with his church, reminds us of his mercy and long-suffering, and of man's ingratitude and perverseness. Paul passes from David to the Son of David, and shows that this Jesus is his promised Seed; a Saviour to do that for them, which the judges of old could not do, to save them from their sins, their worst enemies. When the apostles preached Christ as the Saviour, they were so far from concealing his death, that they always preached Christ crucified. Our complete separation from sin, is represented by our being buried with Christ. But he rose again from the dead, and saw no corruption: this was the great truth to be preached.[source - Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary]

And, last he goes to 1 Chronicles 20:3, so let's see what world renown scholars said with respect this scripture:

Matthew Henry said,

1 Chronicles 20:3, "* David's wars.

-Though the Lord will severely correct the sins of his believing people, he will not leave them in the hands of their enemies. His assistance will overcome all advantages of number and strength of those that defy his Israel. All that trust in Christ, shall be made more than conquerors through him that loveth them. [source - Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary]

And, Theodore Baez said,

1 Chronicles 20:3, And it came to pass, that after the year was expired, at the time that kings go out [to battle], Joab led forth the power of the army, and wasted the country of the children of Ammon, and came and besieged {a} Rabbah. But David tarried at Jerusalem. And Joab smote Rabbah, and destroyed it.

Which was the chief city of the Ammonites.[source - Geneva Bible Study 1599]

Third, He said the following untruth about me that would more aptly apply to him,

you are in total denial due to your cognitive bias and cognitive dissonance or you are just plain unwilling and/or incapable of admitting that beliefs can be so strong and yet be wrong and that you could be a victim of false beliefs yourself

He is just unwilling to accept the fact that he is being carried away with the false belief of none-belief of which I have shown the fallacy of several times in my recent post as follows,

Interestingly it is quite strange and a contradiction that a none-believer would fight so hard against Almighty God (YHWH) whom he claims does not exist, since if his wrong claim were true, he would be fighting against nothing. So obviously he is somewhat delusional or something.

Fourth, It is high-time that he change and recognize reality.

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