Post by iris89 on Aug 10, 2007 9:28:21 GMT -5
SHOULD WRONGFUL OCCUPIERS BENEFIT FROM THEIR WRONGFUL OCCUPATION:
INTRODUCTION:
Some feel if someone has wrongfully occupied the land of another that they should continue to wrongfully to occupy it. But of course this is not right as I shall show.
Let's deal with the land of Palestine first.
WRONGFUL OCCUPATION OF PALESTINE:
History shows that <<<" The Arabs conquered Jerusalem around 638 C.E. The city retained its Roman name, Aelia, until the tenth century, when it was changed to the Arabic al-Quds (the Holy). At the time of its capture, Jerusalem was a sacred city for all three Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). When the Arab armies took Jerusalem in 638, they occupied a center whose shrines had made it a major pilgrimage site in Christendom. The empire of the Umayyads, stretched over vast areas from the borders of France to the borders of India. However, after the Umayyads were replaced by the Abbasids, the steady decline of Jerusalem began. Damascus was the Umayyad Empire's capital until the Abbasids moved the capital to Baghdad. The proximity of the capital to Jerusalem was one of the reasons that Damascus caliphs paid special attention to the city. However, the move to Baghdad distanced the concerns of the Abbasid caliphs.(1)
In the first part of the Arab Period, the majority of the population was Christian. The construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 - the first Muslim shrine and the first major Islamic public building - was meant to counterbalance the Church of the Holy Sepulcre. Both the Dome of the Rock and the Church of the Holy Sepulcre have concentric plans, and their diameters are identical, but the Dome of the Rock is decorated with antitinitarian Quranic quotations. Initially, Muslims like Jews of Arabia, faced Jerusalem to pray. However, when the Jews who lived in Medina at the time resisted both religious and political cooperation with the Muslims and did not accept Muhammad's prophetic claims, a new revelation from Allah directed Muhammad to shift the center of prayer to Mecca.(2)
In 638, when Jerusalem was surrendered to the Muslims, Umar (the first caliph), requested to be led to the Temple Mount, an acknowledgment of Islam's acceptance of the Hebraic prophetic tradition. After reaching the Temple Mount, the caliph found himself disgusted on seeing that Christians had heaped garbage in the sacred enclosure to express their contempt for the Judaic faith. Umar, out of respect for the Jews, ordered the area to be cleansed, an act which also prepared the sacred Jewish site for Muslim worship. Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church's request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city [[[clearly acknowledging it was their city.]]]. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.(4)" [source - The Muslim Period, american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm]>>>.
Thus apostate (counterfeit) Christian wrongful occupiers were gradually over time replaced by wrongful occupiers of Islam to the eventual almost exclusion once more of the rightful owners, the descendants of Abraham's son Isaac. To wit, the descendants of Abraham's son Isaac, the rightful owners as shown by Chapter 34 of Numbers,
"And Jehovah spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan (this is the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan according to the borders thereof),
3 then your south quarter shall be from the wilderness of Zin along by the side of Edom, and your south border shall be from the end of the Salt Sea eastward;
4 and your border shall turn about southward of the ascent of Akrabbim, and pass along to Zin; and the goings out thereof shall be southward of Kadesh-barnea; and it shall go forth to Hazar-addar, and pass along to Azmon;
5 and the border shall turn about from Azmon unto the brook of Egypt, and the goings out thereof shall be at the sea.
6 And for the western border, ye shall have the great sea and the border thereof: this shall be your west border.
7 And this shall be your north border: from the great sea ye shall mark out for you mount Hor;
8 from mount Hor ye shall mark out unto the entrance of Hamath; and the goings out of the border shall be at Zedad;
9 and the border shall go forth to Ziphron, and the goings out thereof shall be at Hazar-enan: this shall be your north border.
10 And ye shall mark out your east border from Hazar-enan to Shepham;
11 and the border shall go down from Shepham to Riblah, on the east side of Ain; and the border shall go down, and shall reach unto the side of the sea of Chinnereth eastward;
12 and the border shall go down to the Jordan, and the goings out thereof shall be at the Salt Sea. This shall be your land according to the borders thereof round about.
13 And Moses commanded the children of Israel, saying, This is the land which ye shall inherit by lot, which Jehovah hath commanded to give unto the nine tribes, and to the half-tribe;
14 for the tribe of the children of Reuben according to their fathers' houses, and the tribe of the children of Gad according to their fathers' houses, have received, and the half-tribe of Manasseh have received, their inheritance:
15 the two tribes and the half-tribe have received their inheritance beyond the Jordan at Jericho eastward, toward the sunrising.
16 And Jehovah spake unto Moses, saying,
17 These are the names of the men that shall divide the land unto you for inheritance: Eleazar the priest, and Joshua the son of Nun.
18 And ye shall take one prince of every tribe, to divide the land for inheritance.
19 And these are the names of the men: Of the tribe of Judah, Caleb the son of Jephunneh.
20 And of the tribe of the children of Simeon, Shemuel the son of Ammihud.
21 Of the tribe of Benjamin, Elidad the son of Chislon.
22 And of the tribe of the children of Dan a prince, Bukki the son of Jogli.
23 Of the children of Joseph: of the tribe of the children of Manasseh a prince, Hanniel the son of Ephod.
24 And of the tribe of the children of Ephraim a prince, Kemuel the son of Shiphtan.
25 And of the tribe of the children of Zebulun a prince, Elizaphan the son of Parnach.
26 And of the tribe of the children of Issachar a prince, Paltiel the son of Azzan.
27 And of the tribe of the children of Asher a prince, Ahihud the son of Shelomi.
28 And of the tribe of the children of Naphtali a prince, Pedahel the son of Ammihud.
29 These are they whom Jehovah commanded to divide the inheritance unto the children of Israel in the land of Canaan." (American Standard Version; ASV).
This wrongful occupation has lasted for centuries and it was not until 1917 that the rightful owners saw a prospect of eventually being restored to their rightful land when British issued the Balfour Declaration which many Jews saw as in keeping with Jeremiah 31:29-34, "In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge. 30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. 31 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people: 34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more." (ASV). So as can be seen, expectation would be great among the descendants of Abraham's son Isaac; with regard, regaining their own land back from the then wrongful occupiers, the descendants of Abraham's son Ishmael.
However, some throw up "red herrings" to wrongfully seek to prove that they should not have it back. We shall now look at a couple of these.
[1 example] <<<"You see they never belonged there , and God Almighty punished them and scattered them all over the planet cause they disobeyed ." [source - actual quote of one seeking to deny them their own land given to them by Almighty God (YHWH) himself.]>>>.
Now as can be seen this is not true. For example, when they disobeyed him the 6 th. Century before the common era, Almighty God (YHWH) did not take the land from them and give it to another, but simply caused them to lose possession of it for a period of time from 607 BCE to 537 BCE, but they got it back. Actually, the land, the promise land per the everlasting covenant Almighty God (YHWH) made with Abraham, their ownership was to be permanent until the conclusion of the end times. Let's look in detail at this covenant.
Genesis 15:18 records the conferring of legitimate title to the Promise Land to the Hebrews (Jews) by the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael as follows for a record to all men for all of time, "In that day Jehovah made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:" (American Standard Version; ASV). That this was to be their land per the promise of the creator of all there is, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael is also made clear in Deuteronomy 10:11, "And Jehovah said unto me, Arise, take thy journey before the people; and they shall go in and possess the land, which I sware unto their fathers to give unto them.." (ASV). And, this fact is even shown in the New Testament at Hebrews 11:9, "By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:" (ASV).
Now the "Concise Bible Dictionary by George Morrish" says this of the inheritance of the Hebrews, the promised land, <<<"The land of promise is constantly spoken of as the inheritance of Israel: the land flowing with milk and honey was given to them by God. #De 4:21 Ps 105:11, &c. So when Israel returns to take possession of the land in a future day, it is still called their inheritance. #Eze 45:1, &c. This all shews that they were and will be an earthly people, but God blessed them on earth in relationship with Himself as Jehovah, and will again bless them on earth when they own the Lord Jesus as their Messiah. In connection with this God calls Israel His inheritance: He hath chosen them for His own inheritance. #Ps 33:12 78:62, &c.[source - Concise Bible Dictionary by George Morrish]">>>.
In fact the true God (YHWH) of Abraham had very specific instructions with respect the land in the area he had given them in lawful perpetuity as the supreme being, the maker of all there is as shown at Deuteronomy 19:14, "Thou shalt not remove thy neighbor's landmark, which they of old time have set, in thine inheritance which thou shalt inherit, in the land that Jehovah thy God giveth thee to possess it." (ASV); and Job 24:1-2, "Why, seeing times are not hidden from the Almighty, do they that know him not see his days? 2 Some remove the landmarks; they violently take away flocks, and feed thereof." (ASV); and Proverbs 22:28, "Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set." (ASV); and Proverbs 23:10, "Remove not the old landmark; and enter not into the fields of the fatherless:" (ASV). But squatters have violated all these righteous commands of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham. And as shown by Easton's Bible Dictionary, <<<" Landmarks could not be removed without incurring the severe displeasure of God." [source - Easton's Revised Bible Dictionary]>>>.
So as can be seen, that claim is just plain false.
[2 example] <<<" IF I came Into your house right now and kicked you and your family out and told you this land was mine 1000 years ago , then you go to the local authorities and they tell you I have the right to your house , what would you do ?." [source - actual quote of one seeking to deny them their own land given to them by Almighty God (YHWH) himself.]>>>.
Now let's look at this logically. The wrongful occupiers, per this individual, have been occupying land not theirs for a 1000 years without paying land rent which if paid as it should have been would have added up to many times the value of the house or building they, or their ancestors, erected without permission so being wrongful free loaders for so long they should just peacefully leave. Legalistically speaking, if you erect a building on another's land, the building belongs to him, plus he can sue for damages to the land. So as can readily be seen, this argument holds no factual ground whatsoever.
[3 example] <<<"But thats all off topic - it brings us back to that Jews ( Zionists ) in the world have wormed and through their usual deceiving and cunningness and playing the victim game so well have managed to get their way in playing the victims of the world - In reality its carrying out Nazism itself against the Palestinian people ." [source - actual quote of one seeking to deny them their own land given to them by Almighty God (YHWH) himself.]>>>.
Just fiery rhetoric to try and blame the victim, the descendants of Abraham's son Isaac, the sympathizers with the perpetrators of the wrong - an old "escape goating" technique for those in the wrong.
OTHER LONG EXISTING WRONGFUL OCCUPATIONS:
Some of these will be briefly mentioned as follows:
[1 example] What is called Turkey is actually land wrongly occupied by Islam that was taken from the byzantine Empire and should be given back to them. There is no security issues or any legitimate reason for Islam to remain in Turkey.
[2 example] Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, etc. are all parts of greater India originally belonging to the Hindus and the Buddhist now wrongly occupied by Islam which they should get out of.
POLICING ACTIONS ARE NOT REALLY OCCUPATIONS:
Many Muslims cry about Iraq situation and wrongly call it an occupation which it is not in reality. Also, this situation would never exist if a member of Islam, Sheik Usama bin Ladin and his ilk had not lit the proverbial fuse by 9/11, the cause, as everything else that has unfortunately transpired is the effect or result. So therefore Islam is responsible for the Iraq situation. Also, it is totally responsible for the coalition occupation there as the coalition forces want to leave, but members of Islam are making this impossible as they lust in violence and killing each other instead of peace. If they got peaceful, the coalition forces would be gone.
The coalition forces are NOT occupying forces, but policing forces. To wit, it is to be noted that no families of coalition forces have moved into Iraq as would occur if the situation was one of real occupation. Also, the coalition has expanded much effort and money to assist in establishing a democratic self-government by Iraqis and if they were an occupying force and not a policing force, this would not be done. The Caliphs that stole the land of Palestine never ever tried to set up a self-government by descendants of Abraham's son Isaac the rightful owners of the land as previously shown. Why? Because they were true occupiers and NOT a policing force.
CONCLUSION:
All should recognize the true reality of the situation and work to make it right for the title holders of Palestine, descendants of Abraham's son Isaac. Now the real question that the world should ask is how to get all the land back to its rightful owners.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
INTRODUCTION:
Some feel if someone has wrongfully occupied the land of another that they should continue to wrongfully to occupy it. But of course this is not right as I shall show.
Let's deal with the land of Palestine first.
WRONGFUL OCCUPATION OF PALESTINE:
History shows that <<<" The Arabs conquered Jerusalem around 638 C.E. The city retained its Roman name, Aelia, until the tenth century, when it was changed to the Arabic al-Quds (the Holy). At the time of its capture, Jerusalem was a sacred city for all three Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). When the Arab armies took Jerusalem in 638, they occupied a center whose shrines had made it a major pilgrimage site in Christendom. The empire of the Umayyads, stretched over vast areas from the borders of France to the borders of India. However, after the Umayyads were replaced by the Abbasids, the steady decline of Jerusalem began. Damascus was the Umayyad Empire's capital until the Abbasids moved the capital to Baghdad. The proximity of the capital to Jerusalem was one of the reasons that Damascus caliphs paid special attention to the city. However, the move to Baghdad distanced the concerns of the Abbasid caliphs.(1)
In the first part of the Arab Period, the majority of the population was Christian. The construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 - the first Muslim shrine and the first major Islamic public building - was meant to counterbalance the Church of the Holy Sepulcre. Both the Dome of the Rock and the Church of the Holy Sepulcre have concentric plans, and their diameters are identical, but the Dome of the Rock is decorated with antitinitarian Quranic quotations. Initially, Muslims like Jews of Arabia, faced Jerusalem to pray. However, when the Jews who lived in Medina at the time resisted both religious and political cooperation with the Muslims and did not accept Muhammad's prophetic claims, a new revelation from Allah directed Muhammad to shift the center of prayer to Mecca.(2)
In 638, when Jerusalem was surrendered to the Muslims, Umar (the first caliph), requested to be led to the Temple Mount, an acknowledgment of Islam's acceptance of the Hebraic prophetic tradition. After reaching the Temple Mount, the caliph found himself disgusted on seeing that Christians had heaped garbage in the sacred enclosure to express their contempt for the Judaic faith. Umar, out of respect for the Jews, ordered the area to be cleansed, an act which also prepared the sacred Jewish site for Muslim worship. Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church's request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city [[[clearly acknowledging it was their city.]]]. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.(4)" [source - The Muslim Period, american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm]>>>.
Thus apostate (counterfeit) Christian wrongful occupiers were gradually over time replaced by wrongful occupiers of Islam to the eventual almost exclusion once more of the rightful owners, the descendants of Abraham's son Isaac. To wit, the descendants of Abraham's son Isaac, the rightful owners as shown by Chapter 34 of Numbers,
"And Jehovah spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan (this is the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan according to the borders thereof),
3 then your south quarter shall be from the wilderness of Zin along by the side of Edom, and your south border shall be from the end of the Salt Sea eastward;
4 and your border shall turn about southward of the ascent of Akrabbim, and pass along to Zin; and the goings out thereof shall be southward of Kadesh-barnea; and it shall go forth to Hazar-addar, and pass along to Azmon;
5 and the border shall turn about from Azmon unto the brook of Egypt, and the goings out thereof shall be at the sea.
6 And for the western border, ye shall have the great sea and the border thereof: this shall be your west border.
7 And this shall be your north border: from the great sea ye shall mark out for you mount Hor;
8 from mount Hor ye shall mark out unto the entrance of Hamath; and the goings out of the border shall be at Zedad;
9 and the border shall go forth to Ziphron, and the goings out thereof shall be at Hazar-enan: this shall be your north border.
10 And ye shall mark out your east border from Hazar-enan to Shepham;
11 and the border shall go down from Shepham to Riblah, on the east side of Ain; and the border shall go down, and shall reach unto the side of the sea of Chinnereth eastward;
12 and the border shall go down to the Jordan, and the goings out thereof shall be at the Salt Sea. This shall be your land according to the borders thereof round about.
13 And Moses commanded the children of Israel, saying, This is the land which ye shall inherit by lot, which Jehovah hath commanded to give unto the nine tribes, and to the half-tribe;
14 for the tribe of the children of Reuben according to their fathers' houses, and the tribe of the children of Gad according to their fathers' houses, have received, and the half-tribe of Manasseh have received, their inheritance:
15 the two tribes and the half-tribe have received their inheritance beyond the Jordan at Jericho eastward, toward the sunrising.
16 And Jehovah spake unto Moses, saying,
17 These are the names of the men that shall divide the land unto you for inheritance: Eleazar the priest, and Joshua the son of Nun.
18 And ye shall take one prince of every tribe, to divide the land for inheritance.
19 And these are the names of the men: Of the tribe of Judah, Caleb the son of Jephunneh.
20 And of the tribe of the children of Simeon, Shemuel the son of Ammihud.
21 Of the tribe of Benjamin, Elidad the son of Chislon.
22 And of the tribe of the children of Dan a prince, Bukki the son of Jogli.
23 Of the children of Joseph: of the tribe of the children of Manasseh a prince, Hanniel the son of Ephod.
24 And of the tribe of the children of Ephraim a prince, Kemuel the son of Shiphtan.
25 And of the tribe of the children of Zebulun a prince, Elizaphan the son of Parnach.
26 And of the tribe of the children of Issachar a prince, Paltiel the son of Azzan.
27 And of the tribe of the children of Asher a prince, Ahihud the son of Shelomi.
28 And of the tribe of the children of Naphtali a prince, Pedahel the son of Ammihud.
29 These are they whom Jehovah commanded to divide the inheritance unto the children of Israel in the land of Canaan." (American Standard Version; ASV).
This wrongful occupation has lasted for centuries and it was not until 1917 that the rightful owners saw a prospect of eventually being restored to their rightful land when British issued the Balfour Declaration which many Jews saw as in keeping with Jeremiah 31:29-34, "In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge. 30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. 31 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people: 34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more." (ASV). So as can be seen, expectation would be great among the descendants of Abraham's son Isaac; with regard, regaining their own land back from the then wrongful occupiers, the descendants of Abraham's son Ishmael.
However, some throw up "red herrings" to wrongfully seek to prove that they should not have it back. We shall now look at a couple of these.
[1 example] <<<"You see they never belonged there , and God Almighty punished them and scattered them all over the planet cause they disobeyed ." [source - actual quote of one seeking to deny them their own land given to them by Almighty God (YHWH) himself.]>>>.
Now as can be seen this is not true. For example, when they disobeyed him the 6 th. Century before the common era, Almighty God (YHWH) did not take the land from them and give it to another, but simply caused them to lose possession of it for a period of time from 607 BCE to 537 BCE, but they got it back. Actually, the land, the promise land per the everlasting covenant Almighty God (YHWH) made with Abraham, their ownership was to be permanent until the conclusion of the end times. Let's look in detail at this covenant.
Genesis 15:18 records the conferring of legitimate title to the Promise Land to the Hebrews (Jews) by the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael as follows for a record to all men for all of time, "In that day Jehovah made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:" (American Standard Version; ASV). That this was to be their land per the promise of the creator of all there is, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael is also made clear in Deuteronomy 10:11, "And Jehovah said unto me, Arise, take thy journey before the people; and they shall go in and possess the land, which I sware unto their fathers to give unto them.." (ASV). And, this fact is even shown in the New Testament at Hebrews 11:9, "By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:" (ASV).
Now the "Concise Bible Dictionary by George Morrish" says this of the inheritance of the Hebrews, the promised land, <<<"The land of promise is constantly spoken of as the inheritance of Israel: the land flowing with milk and honey was given to them by God. #De 4:21 Ps 105:11, &c. So when Israel returns to take possession of the land in a future day, it is still called their inheritance. #Eze 45:1, &c. This all shews that they were and will be an earthly people, but God blessed them on earth in relationship with Himself as Jehovah, and will again bless them on earth when they own the Lord Jesus as their Messiah. In connection with this God calls Israel His inheritance: He hath chosen them for His own inheritance. #Ps 33:12 78:62, &c.[source - Concise Bible Dictionary by George Morrish]">>>.
In fact the true God (YHWH) of Abraham had very specific instructions with respect the land in the area he had given them in lawful perpetuity as the supreme being, the maker of all there is as shown at Deuteronomy 19:14, "Thou shalt not remove thy neighbor's landmark, which they of old time have set, in thine inheritance which thou shalt inherit, in the land that Jehovah thy God giveth thee to possess it." (ASV); and Job 24:1-2, "Why, seeing times are not hidden from the Almighty, do they that know him not see his days? 2 Some remove the landmarks; they violently take away flocks, and feed thereof." (ASV); and Proverbs 22:28, "Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set." (ASV); and Proverbs 23:10, "Remove not the old landmark; and enter not into the fields of the fatherless:" (ASV). But squatters have violated all these righteous commands of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham. And as shown by Easton's Bible Dictionary, <<<" Landmarks could not be removed without incurring the severe displeasure of God." [source - Easton's Revised Bible Dictionary]>>>.
So as can be seen, that claim is just plain false.
[2 example] <<<" IF I came Into your house right now and kicked you and your family out and told you this land was mine 1000 years ago , then you go to the local authorities and they tell you I have the right to your house , what would you do ?." [source - actual quote of one seeking to deny them their own land given to them by Almighty God (YHWH) himself.]>>>.
Now let's look at this logically. The wrongful occupiers, per this individual, have been occupying land not theirs for a 1000 years without paying land rent which if paid as it should have been would have added up to many times the value of the house or building they, or their ancestors, erected without permission so being wrongful free loaders for so long they should just peacefully leave. Legalistically speaking, if you erect a building on another's land, the building belongs to him, plus he can sue for damages to the land. So as can readily be seen, this argument holds no factual ground whatsoever.
[3 example] <<<"But thats all off topic - it brings us back to that Jews ( Zionists ) in the world have wormed and through their usual deceiving and cunningness and playing the victim game so well have managed to get their way in playing the victims of the world - In reality its carrying out Nazism itself against the Palestinian people ." [source - actual quote of one seeking to deny them their own land given to them by Almighty God (YHWH) himself.]>>>.
Just fiery rhetoric to try and blame the victim, the descendants of Abraham's son Isaac, the sympathizers with the perpetrators of the wrong - an old "escape goating" technique for those in the wrong.
OTHER LONG EXISTING WRONGFUL OCCUPATIONS:
Some of these will be briefly mentioned as follows:
[1 example] What is called Turkey is actually land wrongly occupied by Islam that was taken from the byzantine Empire and should be given back to them. There is no security issues or any legitimate reason for Islam to remain in Turkey.
[2 example] Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, etc. are all parts of greater India originally belonging to the Hindus and the Buddhist now wrongly occupied by Islam which they should get out of.
POLICING ACTIONS ARE NOT REALLY OCCUPATIONS:
Many Muslims cry about Iraq situation and wrongly call it an occupation which it is not in reality. Also, this situation would never exist if a member of Islam, Sheik Usama bin Ladin and his ilk had not lit the proverbial fuse by 9/11, the cause, as everything else that has unfortunately transpired is the effect or result. So therefore Islam is responsible for the Iraq situation. Also, it is totally responsible for the coalition occupation there as the coalition forces want to leave, but members of Islam are making this impossible as they lust in violence and killing each other instead of peace. If they got peaceful, the coalition forces would be gone.
The coalition forces are NOT occupying forces, but policing forces. To wit, it is to be noted that no families of coalition forces have moved into Iraq as would occur if the situation was one of real occupation. Also, the coalition has expanded much effort and money to assist in establishing a democratic self-government by Iraqis and if they were an occupying force and not a policing force, this would not be done. The Caliphs that stole the land of Palestine never ever tried to set up a self-government by descendants of Abraham's son Isaac the rightful owners of the land as previously shown. Why? Because they were true occupiers and NOT a policing force.
CONCLUSION:
All should recognize the true reality of the situation and work to make it right for the title holders of Palestine, descendants of Abraham's son Isaac. Now the real question that the world should ask is how to get all the land back to its rightful owners.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89