Post by iris89 on May 26, 2008 9:18:22 GMT -5
Pyrrhonist Are Circular In Thought And Can Not Learn or Move On
INTRODUCTION:
There are two general types of skeptics we shall look at the characteristics of both:
FIRST, There is the positive thinking skeptic pragmatic realist that is skeptic of all he/she is told, but strives towards learning ultimate truths in their field of interest. They are the type described by the Apostle Paul at Acts 17:10-11, “And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” (Authorized King James Bible; AV). These do NOT let personal biases and/or beliefs stand in the way of continuing on the path with respect trying to learn ultimate truth.
SECOND, There is the negative thinking skeptic, called a Pyrrhonist, that constantly sees everything in a negative and/or highly distorted way. They constantly read negativity into all things and do NOT consider the context of events; to wit, they form negative opinions without seriously considering that the intervening facts if considered would clearly show them in error.
And examples of the thinking of both types:
The negative thinking Pyrrhonist focuses on the weaknesses of others or seeming negatives of a situation. In doing so, the Pyrrhonist is like one using a camera with a lens that focuses on only a very small area. However, the positive thinking skeptic pragmatic realist is like using a camera with the lenses focused wide-angle or open which can take in a subject as well as its surroundings. The Pyrrhonist tends to focus in on something he/she does not like instead of examining the subject or situation in its entirety to get the overall ‘picture.’ The more one strives to be like skeptic pragmatic realist, the more he/she sees the big picture and this in positive terms. In fact, it has been shown that the skeptic pragmatic realist tends to be more considerate and loving of others and willing to forgive others for their imperfections; whereas, the Pyrrhonist seeks to peck at every perceived little flaw, real and/or imagined.
JESUS (YESHUA) CHRIST EXAMPLE OF AN OPTOMIST WITH TOTALLY POSITIVE OUTLOOK:
As we well know, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ was keenly aware that humans were imperfect and have the tendency to be judgmental; therefore, he counseled at Matthew 7:1, “Judge not, that ye be not judged.” (AV). Notice that Jesus (Yeshua) Christ did not say, “Do not Judge”; he said, “stop judging.” He knew that many of his listeners were already in the habit of being critical of others and of events they may not have liked one aspect of. Could it be that you have developed such a habit? If one has that tendency, he/she ought to work hard to change, so that we are not adversely judged as brought out at Matthew 7:2, “For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.” (AV). Really, now who are we to judge someone or an event that Almighty God (YHWH), the Creator of All there is, whom he has found acceptable such as Moses, King David, Joshua, etc., and/or event that he brought about in his infinite wisdom. Consider Romans 14:1-4, “Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.” (AV).
Unlike Jesus (Yeshua) Christ and his Father, Almighty God (YHWH), we do not have the ability to see the inner potential of others. A good example of this is the Apostle Paul who had formerly been a fanatic persecutor of the genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ in whom Jesus (Yeshua) Christ saw something good in, and decided to use him as one of his followers as recorded at Acts 9:1-9, “And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, 2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. 3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. 7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. 8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.” (AV).
Next, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ took steps to turn Saul around into becoming the powerful Apostle Paul as recorded at Acts 9:10-31, “And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. 11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, 12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight. 13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: 14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. 15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: 16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake. 17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. 19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. 20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. 21 But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests? 22 But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ. 23 And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him: 24 But their laying await was known of Saul. And they watched the gates day and night to kill him. 25 Then the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket. 26 And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple. 27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus. 28 And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem. 29 And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him. 30 Which when the brethren knew, they brought him down to Caesarea, and sent him forth to Tarsus. 31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.” (AV).
This is just one example of how Almighty God (YHWH), the Father, and his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ have the outstanding ability to focus on the good in a person, i.e., be positive in their thinking. This is also shown with regard King David, he was definitely not perfect and committed many wrongs, but Almighty God (YHWH) saw good in his as recorded at 1 Kings 14:8, “And rent the kingdom away from the house of David, and gave it thee: and yet thou hast not been as my servant David, who kept my commandments, and who followed me with all his heart, to do that only which was right in mine eyes;” (AV). Of course, we well know that David did some things that were wrong. However, Almighty God (YHWH) chose to focus on the good because he knew that David’s heart was upright per 1 Chronicles 29:17, “I know also, my God, that thou triest the heart, and hast pleasure in uprightness. As for me, in the uprightness of mine heart I have willingly offered all these things: and now have I seen with joy thy people, which are present here, to offer willingly unto thee.” (AV).
As can readily be seen, both Almighty God (YHWH), Creator of all there is, and his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ are positive in their thinking and all of us, humans, should be likewise and NOT BE negative thinking Pyrrhonist.
CIRCULAR REASONING AND ACTIONS OF PYRRHONIST:
Pyrrhonist not only WRONGLY focus in on one small item of a large picture that seems to them to be negative, but worse yet they totally fail to see the big picture that would totally invalidate their erroneous point of view; to wit, they are like a camera focused in on the minute but missing the big picture of a lens focused wide-angle or open which can take in a subject as well as its surroundings. But worse yet, do not comprehend/understand even after the big picture has been explained to them many times. To wit, they have mental blinders on with strictly a negative minute focus.
Now what does this inability to see the big picture do to having mental blinders on with strictly a negative minute focus? It causes them to return time and time to what their negative thinking mind can not grasp just like a dog returning to his/her own vomit or a sow wallowing in the mire per 2 Peter 2:2, “It has happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog turning to his own vomit again, and the sow that had washed to wallowing in the mire.” (American Standard Version; ASV).
In modern terms like a broken record.
CONCLUSION:
Due to the circular reasoning and actions of Pyrrhonist, no educational purpose is served by continually going over their same old negative garbage. They seem to get some perverted joy out of being like a broken record, but there is nothing positive in this.
It is my intent to develop standard replies and/or using previous replies to answer their broken record syndrome when it rears its ugly head.
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Standard Reply #1: Truth With Respect The Bible
It is not what I believe and/or do not believe, but what is fact that matters. The facts are recorded and Pyrrhonist is either ignorant of them or can not comprehend that they are true because of his negative personality and therefore does not realize the Bible is NOT the product of one committee or strongman. It has over 40 individual writers who wrote under divine inspiration/guidance putting the thoughts of God (YHWH) into the words of men much as transcribing secretaries today taking transcription and then later typing it out. In other words one real author, God (YHWH), and many scribes each of whom wrote in his own style over a period of approximately 1,600 years. All of what people call or consider inconsistencies are really not such, but most often just a problem of translation and/or understanding, i.e., lack of understanding of what the original writer writing in his own language and culture meant/said in his original writing. What is remarkable, is the writers over such a period of time all wrote in harmony when even most posters on threads on this forum can not even stay on track or subject over a period of a few days and/or weeks at most with the original subject of the thread. This fact of harmony over a period so great as to almost stagger the imagination shows that it had one guiding force or author who divinely inspired its writers as humans of their own volition can not keep on track over short periods of time.
To wit, the Bible is the ONLY book God (YHWH) ever inspired men to write as his scribes. In other words, God is its author and men only put his thoughts given to them by divine inspiration into their own words, the words of men. Not only that, all the other writers of later so called religious guidance books borrowed from it and made changes in accord with their strong man or so called prophet. Take the example of Joseph Smith who borrowed from it to write the Book of Mormon, but failed to give credit or source to the Bible and twisted some borrowed things into bizarre distortions. Other examples are of course the bizarre writings of David Koresh the Prophet of the Branch Dividians of Waco, Texas; and the Quran, etc.
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Standard Reply #2 Whose Land is It?
SECOND, As recorded at Numbers 33:50-56,
"And Jehovah spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho, saying,
51 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye pass over the Jordan into the land of Canaan,
52 then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their figured stones, and destroy all their molten images, and demolish all their high places:
53 and ye shall take possession of the land, and dwell therein; for unto you have I given the land to possess it.
54 And ye shall inherit the land by lot according to your families; to the more ye shall give the more inheritance, and to the fewer thou shalt give the less inheritance: wheresoever the lot falleth to any man, that shall be his; according to the tribes of your fathers shall ye inherit.
55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you, then shall those that ye let remain of them be as pricks in your eyes, and as thorns in your sides, and they shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
56And it shall come to pass, that, as I thought to do unto them, so will I do unto you." (American Standard Version; ASV).
It is plain to see that the Creator of all there is, Almighty God (YHWH), clearly gave the land of Palestine to the ancient Israelites, and those on it were just evil squatters, but for more details, go to,
[go to] Whose Land Is It? A Study of The Land of Palestine at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....64569930&page=1
And world renown Bible scholar Matthew Henry stated,
#50-56 Now that they were to pass over Jordan, they were entering again into temptation to follow idols; and they are threatened that, if they spared either the idols or the idolaters, their sin would certainly be their punishment. They would foster vipers in their own bosoms. The remnant of the Canaanites, if they made any peace with them, though but for a time, would be pricks in their eyes, and thorns in their sides. We must expect trouble and affliction from whatever sin we indulge; that which we are willing should tempt us, will vex us. It was intended that the Canaanites should be put out of the land; but if the Israelites learned their wicked ways, they also would be put out. Let us hear this and fear. If we do not drive out sin, sin will drive us out. If we are not the death of our lusts, our lusts will be the death of our souls.[source – Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary]
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Standard Reply #3 Questions on the Covenants
He negatively questions the covenants, but for anyone wanting to know the facts, go to,
[go to on the Old Law Covenant] Discourse On the Law Covenant Made by God With Israel and Fulfilled By The Ransom Sacrifice of his Son: at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1164830616
or
jude3.proboards92.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ch&thread=140&page=1 [first post]
[go to on the New Covenant] God's (YHWH's) New Covenant at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1164830823
or
jude3.proboards92.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ch&thread=140&page=1 [second post]
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Standard Reply #4 Divine Judgment
Some Pyrrhonist refer to execution of divine justice as genocide and other negative things which it definitely was not, but this only shows his ignorance of earlier executions of justice referred to at 1 Peter 3:20, "that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water:" (ASV), where Almighty God (YHWH) used his angels to do the execution of the ungodly. Now of course no man has the right to question and/or judge the acts of his Creator as the Pyrrhonist is WRONGLY doing, it is as Isaiah 29:16, "" Ye turn things upside down! Shall the potter be esteemed as clay; that the thing made should say of him that made it, He made me not; or the thing formed say of him that formed it, He hath no understanding?" (ASV).
For more details, go to,
[go to] Perfect Love Requires Perfect Justice: at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1202837827
Or
jude3.proboards92.com/index.cgi?a....02837312&page=1
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Standard Reply #5, Strange Conduct Of Negative Thinking Individuals:
A certain ‘babbler’ on this forum from S.C. makes be think of another individual from S.C., Ryan Schallenberger, as neither of them make any coherent sense of the world around them. Here are the details on Ryan Schallenberger.:
Teen wanted to die, kill Jesus, agent says.
The Associated Press as appeared in The Palm Beach Post on Wednesday, April 30, 2008, page 2A.
Florence, S.C. - A teen accused of plotting to blow up his high school told police that he wanted to die, go to heaven and kill Jesus, federal authorities said Tuesday.
Prosecutors argued in court the statements show Ryan Schallenberger, 18, needs psychological evaluation. The straight A Chesterfield High School senior was arrested April 19 and faces state and federal charges, including attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction, which could carry a life sentence if he is convicted.
"His conduct is bizarre," prosecutor Buddy Bethea told Judge Thomas Rogers III, who did not immediately issue a ruling. "I think it screams out in his conduct that he be evaluated."
Defense attorney Bill Nettles said the request was premature, and Schallenberger was competent to help in his defense.
Prosecutors want Schallenberger, at Chesterfield County jail moved to a federal facility because they say he may try to commit suicide. His journal writings have become more violent in the past year, prosecutor Rose Mary Parham said.
An agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives testified that the teen told a sheriff he wanted to die after his arrest.
"He said death was better than life," Craig Townsend said. "He told the sheriff he wanted to die and go to heaven and once he got there, he wanted to kill Jesus."
[source - The Associated Press as appeared in The Palm Beach Post on Wednesday, April 30, 2008, page 2A.]
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Standard Reply #6, Almighty God (YHWH), the Creator of All there is, and his Son, Jesus (Yeshua), not magical persons.
Your Creator is Almighty God (YHWH) and not a magical being; but you fail to recognize reality here as you are a Pyrrhonist.
As I told you on another thread with respect similar negative Pyrrhonism nonsense, and your adoration of egotistical self-centered worldly philosophers:
Pyrrhonist either forgets or is ignorant of the Apostle Paul’s encounter with worldly egotistical self-centered philosophers, and how he DID NOT waste time discussing all of their many ideas/opinions, but went on to show them the truth. Let’s look at Acts 17:18-34, and learn reality and why not to waste time discussing silly opinions/ideas of with worldly egotistical self-centered philosophers with them from the example set by the Apostle Paul:
"And certain also of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers encountered him. And some said, What would this babbler say? others, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached Jesus and the resurrection.
19 And they took hold of him, and brought him unto the Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new teaching is, which is spoken by thee?
20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
21 (Now all the Athenians and the strangers sojourning there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell or to hear some new thing.)
22 And Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus, and said, Ye men of Athens, in all things, I perceive that ye are very religious.
23 For as I passed along, and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. What therefore ye worship in ignorance, this I set forth unto you.
24 The God that made the world and all things therein, he, being Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 neither is he served by men’s hands, as though he needed anything, seeing he himself giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 and he made of one every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed seasons, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 that they should seek God, if haply they might feel after him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us:
28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain even of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and device of man.
30 The times of ignorance therefore God overlooked; but now he commandeth men that they should all everywhere repent:
31 inasmuch as he hath appointed a day in which he will judge the world in righteousness by the man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
32 Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked; but others said, We will hear thee concerning this yet again.
33 Thus Paul went out from among them.
34 But certain men clave unto him, and believed: among whom also was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them." (American Standard Version; ASV).
As can be seen, the Apostle Paul did not waste time discussing their opinions/ideas with the philosophers, but got right into delivering reality, the truth to them per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) so why should I deviate from this example set by the Apostle Paul?
Worse yet, Pyrrhonist wants me to discuss this nonsense when those making it are NOT even present, i.e., third hand nonsense – just how ridiculas can one get so as to request such nonsense?
Its like what is written at Acts 17:21, "(Now all the Athenians and the strangers sojourning there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell or to hear some new thing.)" Now because he has sunk to such absurd nonsense is absolutely no reason for me to follow him into the muck of egotistical men and their stupid opinions.
And, as I also told him on that thread,
First, You seem to go for worldly egotistical self-centered worldly philosophers and atheist nonsense and that guy is the personification of both of those. Even further way out than you are. Are you going to contact him?
Second, You do not seem to be able to make the jump in reality from the fact that if Almighty God (YHWH) could create all there is, i.e., the universe, the earth, animal kind, mankind, etc. It would be no real task for him to,
flying chariots, and animals speaking in human language, mysterious food that magically appears
So when are you going to realize that if he could create the universe, all of these are by comparison no task at all for him?
Third, With regard to all the wars and killings mentioned in the Bible, they are historical events; many also are recorded as they have some lesson to teach us. However, you fail to look for the lesson and just come off negative, but I guess that is to be expected since you are nothing but a Pyrrhonist and as I have said before in one of my research products,
Before we delve deep into the subject of why this type of skepticism is foolish, let's look at a definition of Pyrrhonism from the Catholic Encyclopedia,
<<<" Pyrrhonism
Pyrrhonism is a system of scepticism, the founder of which was Pyrrho, a Greek philosopher, about whom very little is known except that he died in 270 B. C. The best known of Pyrrho's disciples was Timon of Philius, known as the sillographer. Pyrrho's scepticism was so complete and comprehensive that the word Pyrrhonism is sometimes used as a synonym for scepticism, The scepticism of Pyrrho's school covered three points.
(1) All the dogmatists, that is to say, all the philosophers who believed that truth and certitude can be attained, were mere sophists; they were self-deceived and deceivers of others.
(2) Certitude is impossible of attainment, not only because of the possibility that our faculties deceive us, but also because, in themselves, things are neither one thing nor the other, neither good nor evil, beautiful nor ugly, large nor small. Or, rather, things are both good and evil, beautiful and ugly, large and small, so that there is no reason why we should affirm that they are one thing rather than the other. This conviction was expressed in the famous saying, ouden mallon, nothing is more one thing than another; the paper is not more white than black, the piece of sugar is not more sweet than bitter, and so forth.
(3) The reality of things being inaccessible to the human mind, and certitude being impossible of attainment, the wise man doubts about everything; that is, he recognizes the futility of inquiry into reality and abstains from judging. This abstention is called epoche. It is the foundation of happiness. Because he alone can attain happiness who cultivates imperturbability, ataraxia; and then only is the mind proof against disquietude when we realize that every attempt to attain the truth is doomed to failure.
From this account of the principles of Pyrrhonism, it is evident that Pyrrho's aim was ethical. Like all the philosophers of the period in which he lived, he concerned himself principally with the problem of happiness. The Stoics sought to found happiness on the realization of the reign of law in human nature as well as in nature. The Epicureans grounded happiness on the conviction that transitory feeling is the one important phenomenon in human life. The Eclectics placed the intellectual basis of happiness in the conviction that all systems of philosophy are equally true. The Pyrrhonist, as well as the other sceptics of that period, believed that there is no possibility of attaining happiness unless one first realizes that all systems of philosophy are equally false and that the real truth of things cannot be attained. Pyrrhonism is, therefore, an abdication of all the supposed rights of the mind, and cannot be dealt with by the ordinary rules of logic or by the customary canons of philosophical criticism." [source - The Catholic Encyclopedia]>>>.
In other words, the philosophical skeptics, or Pyrrhonist believe there is no possibility of learning real truth; to wit, which is a rejection of the existence of real truth. Whereas, the skeptic pragmatic realist knows there is real truth and seeks actively for it - a healthy outlook.
In their absurd effort to deny even to themselves that real truth exist the Pyrrohonist pokes or makes fun of the ideal that real truth can exist and make very negative comments about anything that could possibly be real truth and/or approaching it, and of skeptic pragmatic realist who pursue finding real truth. Their comments are always negative and belittling and never up-building in the slightest.[source - Skepticism With a Purpose and Skepticism Without A Purpose: at ]http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=announcements&thread=698]
Due to your warped from of skepticism you are totally unable to see anything positive with regard to any subject you have a phobia about; whereas, I am an objective skeptic pragmatic realist and can see and understand ultimate truth which you can not.
Third, You said,
drinking the magic "blood" of the magic person
No one drank the literal blood of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ whom you are calling a magic person, they only drank wine in symbol of his shed blood. Get your facts straight. Also, he is NOT a magic person but the Son of God as shown in the Book of Matthew as follows,
Matthew 4:3 And the tempter came and said unto him, If thou art the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.
Matthew 4:6 and saith unto him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and, On their hands they shall bear thee up, lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Matthew 8:29 And behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Matthew 14:33 And they that were in the boat worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Matthew 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou art the Christ, the Son of God.
Matthew 27:40 and saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself: if thou art the Son of God, come down from the cross.
Matthew 27:43 He trusteth on God; let him deliver him now, if he desireth him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
Matthew 27:54 Now the centurion, and they that were with him watching Jesus, when they saw the earthquake, and the things that were done, feared exceedingly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. All from (American Standard Version; ASV).
Now stop being such a negative person and start seeking ultimate truth per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
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Standard Reply #7, No Need To Discuss Unreal Ideas:
As pointed out by the example of the Apostle Paul at the Areopagus there is no point in discussing the unreal ideas, really nothing but opinions of men, that are NOT based on reality and truth per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV). To wit, there is nothing to be gained and it is as silly as starting a serious discussion on the ‘tooth fairy’ as there would be no rational purpose to same. Any discussion on nonsense of men will never end up with anything positive and is as silly as a big discussion that once occurred in the middle ages at a monastery that went on for months about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin – nothing upbuilding or beneficial came out of it so what purpose did it serve?
You rail against reality; to wit, the Inspired Word of Almighty God (YHWH), the Creator of all there is, yet put forth the nonsense opinions of mere men, how utterly foolish. As I have shown you before and apparently it has not yet sunk in:
Pyrrhonist either forgets or is ignorant of the Apostle Paul’s encounter with worldly egotistical self-centered philosophers, and how he DID NOT waste time discussing all of their many ideas/opinions, but went on to show them the truth. Let’s look at Acts 17:18-34, and learn reality and why not to waste time discussing silly opinions/ideas of with worldly egotistical self-centered philosophers with them from the example set by the Apostle Paul:
"And certain also of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers encountered him. And some said, What would this babbler say? others, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached Jesus and the resurrection.
19 And they took hold of him, and brought him unto the Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new teaching is, which is spoken by thee?
20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
21 (Now all the Athenians and the strangers sojourning there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell or to hear some new thing.)
22 And Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus, and said, Ye men of Athens, in all things, I perceive that ye are very religious.
23 For as I passed along, and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. What therefore ye worship in ignorance, this I set forth unto you.
24 The God that made the world and all things therein, he, being Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 neither is he served by men’s hands, as though he needed anything, seeing he himself giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 and he made of one every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed seasons, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 that they should seek God, if haply they might feel after him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us:
28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain even of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and device of man.
30 The times of ignorance therefore God overlooked; but now he commandeth men that they should all everywhere repent:
31 inasmuch as he hath appointed a day in which he will judge the world in righteousness by the man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
32 Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked; but others said, We will hear thee concerning this yet again.
33 Thus Paul went out from among them.
1. But certain men clave unto him, and believed: among whom also was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them." (American Standard Version; ASV).
As can be seen, the Apostle Paul did not waste time discussing their opinions/ideas with the philosophers, but got right into delivering reality, the truth to them per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) so why should I deviate from this example set by the Apostle Paul?
Worse yet, Pyrrhonist wants me to discuss this nonsense when those making it are NOT even present, i.e., third hand nonsense – just how ridiculas can one get so as to request such nonsense?
Its like what is written at Acts 17:21, "(Now all the Athenians and the strangers sojourning there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell or to hear some new thing.)" Now because he has sunk to such absurd nonsense is absolutely no reason for me to follow him into the muck of egotistical men and their stupid opinions.
For more details go to the following:
[1] STANDARDS ARE PROMULGATED NOT PROVEN BUT USED:
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1163274395
[2] Civilization and the Bible
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1163274110
[3] Those Failing to Understand The Bible Make Outlandish Statements
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1191253546
[4] Discourse on the Bible:
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....63274997&page=1
[5] Discourse on the Word of God Vs. the Unreliable Word of Men:
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1163275304
[6] Discourse on Who and When The Bible Was Written and Who Was Its Author:
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1163275505
[7] Discourse on Candor Proves Bible the Word of God
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1163263186
Also, you do not even understand what a 'cult' is theologically speaking as shown by your post. Now go to the following and learn:
[1] Discourse on Cults and False Accusations Against Jesus' Followers:
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1165607862
[2] WHAT IS AND IS NOT A CULT,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1168533850
[3] Cult Charistics:
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....ticscult&thread
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Standard Reply #8, Pyrrhonist Keep Repeating the Same Old Smelly Nonsens:
Pyrrhonist falsely accuse others of posting the same type of answer, but then what should they expect when they figuratively keep posting the same old smelly nonsense with a slightly new wrapper. It is as if you picked up a dead roadkill skunk and kept putting him into a different bag – it would still smell, and the same goes for the smelly opinions of egotistical self-centered worldly philosophers to whom you obviously show adoration that you keep posting.
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Standard Reply #9, What is Judgment:
WHAT IS JUDGMENT?
Many who show adoration to egotistical worldly philosophers and false god(s) do not comprehend what judgment is and why Almighty God (YHWH) must pass it to show perfect love.
Webster's dictionary defines judgment as follows:
<<<" Judgment (Page: 804)
Judg"ment (?), n. [OE. jugement, F. jugement, LL. judicamentum, fr. L. judicare. See Judge, v. i.]
1. The act of judging; the operation of the mind, involving comparison and discrimination, by which a knowledge of the values and relations of thins, whether of moral qualities, intellectual concepts, logical propositions, or material facts, is obtained; as, by careful judgment he avoided the peril; by a series of wrong judgments he forfeited confidence.
I oughte deme, of skilful jugement, That in the salte sea my wife is deed. Chaucer. ...
4. The act of determining, as in courts of law, what is conformable to law and justice; also, the determination, decision, or sentence of a court, or of a judge; the mandate or sentence of God as the judge of all.
In judgments between rich and poor, consider not what the poor man needs, but what is his own. Jer. Taylor. ...
6. A calamity regarded as sent by God, by way of recompense for wrong committed; a providential punishment. Judgments are prepared for scorners." Prov. xix. 29. This judgment of the heavens that makes us tremble." Shak.
7. (Theol.) The final award; the last sentence. &hand; Judgment, abridgment, acknowledgment, and lodgment are in England sometimes written, judgement, abridgement, acknowledgement, and lodgement. &hand; Judgment is used adjectively in many self-explaining combinations; as, judgment hour; judgment throne. Judgment day (Theol.), the last day, or period when final judgment will be pronounced on the subjects of God's moral government. -- Judgment debt (Law), a debt secured to the creditor by a judge's order. -- Judgment hall, a hall where courts are held. -- Judgment seat, the seat or bench on which judges sit in court; hence, a court; a tribunal. We shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ." Rom. xiv. 10. -- Judgment summons (Law), a proceeding by a judgment creditor against a judgment debtor upon an unsatisfied judgment. Arrest of judgment. (Law) See under Arrest, n. -- Judgment of God, a term formerly applied to extraordinary trials of secret crimes, as by arms and single combat, by ordeal, etc.; it being imagined that God would work miracles to vindicate innocence. See under Ordeal. Syn. -- Discernment; decision; determination; award; estimate; criticism; taste; discrimination; penetration; sagacity; intelligence; understanding. See Taste." [source - Webster's Revised Unabridged, 1913 Edition]>>>.
And,
<<<" JUDGMENT, practice. The decision or sentence of the law, given by a court of justice or other competent tribunal, as the result of proceedings instituted therein, for the redress of an injury.
2. The language of judgments, therefore, is not that "it is decreed," or "resolved," by the court; but "it is considered," (consideratum est per curiam) that the plaintiff recover his debt, damages, or possession, as the case may require, or that the defendant do go without day. This implies that the judgment is not so much the decision of the court, as the sentence of the law pronounced and decreed by the court, after due deliberation and inquiry.
3. To be valid, a judicial judgment must be given by a competent judge or court, [[The Supreme being of the universe is definitely also the most competent one.]]at a time and place appointed by law, and in the form it requires. A judgment would be null, if the judge had not jurisdiction of the matter; or, having such jurisdiction, he exercised it when there was no court held, or but of his district; or if be rendered a judgment before the cause was prepared for a hearing. ...
22. A final judgment is one which puts an end to the suit. [[Almighty God (YHWH) judgments against the ungodly and their execution are final.]] ...
[source - A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.]>>>.
So as can be seen a judgment is the judging of the wrong doer and execution of the judgment is the exercise of the penalty for that wrong. It is not intolerance, ethnic cleansing, genocide, but the execution of judgment.
UNBELIEVERS IN THE TRUE GOD DO NOT COMPREHEND WHAT INTOLERANCE IS:
Unbelievers is the true God do not get the real meaning of intolerance, but wrongly try to apply it to the execution of judgments of Almighty God (YHWH), the Supreme being of the universe. Now let's consider just what intolerance is:
<<<" Intolerance is the lack of ability or willingness to tolerate something.
* In pressed through angry argumentation, looking down at people because of their characteristics or viewpoints, negatively portraying something due the contrast with one's own beliefs, etc. On a more extreme level, it can lead to violence - in its most severe form, genocide. Possibly the most infamous example in Western culture is the Holocaust. Colonialism was based, in part, on a lack of tolerance of cultures different than that of the mother country.
* There is debate as to where a government can use its force to prevent what it defines as hate speech. For example, the First Amendment to the United States Constitution allows such expression of intolerance without criminal action. In some other countries people can be prosecuted for such speech. This is a question of how much intolerance the government should tolerate, and how it decides what constitutes the expression of hate.
As the debate as to what to do about other people's intolerance continues, what is often ignored is how to recognize and deal with one's own.
[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>>.
Now let's look at what genocide (ethnic cleaning) is.
UNBELIEVERS IN THE TRUE GOD DO NOT COMPREHEND WHAT GENOCIDE (ETHNIC CLEANING) IS:
Unbelievers is the true God do not get the real meaning of 'genocide' (ethnic clearning), but wrongly try to apply it to the execution of judgments of Almighty God (YHWH), the Supreme being of the universe. Now let's consider just what 'genocide' (ethnic clearning), is:
<<<"Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of an ethnic, racial, religious or national group.
While precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. Article 2 of this defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."[1] ...
It is commonly accepted that, at least since World War II, genocide has been illegal under customary international law as a peremptory norm, as well as under conventional international law. Acts of genocide are generally difficult to establish for prosecution, because a chain of accountability must be established. International criminal courts and tribunals function primarily because the states involved are incapable or unwilling to prosecute crimes of this magnitude themselves." [source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>>.
It is NOT the receiving of punishment for wrong doing. Punishment by definition is,
<<<"PUNISHMENT -- NOUN: 1a. The act or an instance of punishing. b. The condition of being punished. 2. A penalty imposed for wrongdoing: "The severity of the punishment must . . . be in keeping with the kind of obligation which has been violated" (Simone Weil). [[Almighty God (YHWH) as the Supreme being in the universe has the absolute right to have punishment carried out.]]
[source - The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.].
Yet it is quite strange that some learned ones can easily understand/comprehend esoteric terms, but can NOT properly apply or understand everyday terms. One reason may be they have not made a sufficiently in-depth search for the genuine (true) dogma of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ with a pure motive. To show what I mean by an in-depth search with a pure motive, I shall, in brief, review my own search as a young girl.
MY OWN PURE SEARCH FOR TRUTH IN RELIGION AS A YOUNG GIRL:
When I was a very young girl in my native village, I never knew there were individuals so absurd as to believe in and pay adoration to worldly philosophers instead of to Almighty God (YHWH). I did know there were false god(s) and that some people even considered the ruler of their nation was a god such as the ancient Babylonians, Egyptians, etc., but I never imagine there were individuals so blind to reality, the truth per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) that they would pay adoration to egotistical worldly philosophers and quote their absurd nonsense as if they considered it sacred scripture. As one individual, a cult member, I usually strongly disagree with brought out by posting the following scripture, Jeremiah 2:19, "Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and a bitter, that thou hast forsaken Jehovah thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord, Jehovah of hosts." (American Standard Version; ASV); ti wit, These individuals that pay adoration to worldly philosophers and treat their egotistical self-centered writings were for me as a young girl just unimaginable. I well knew of false god(s) such as the mythical god, the old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah," who only exist in the imaginations of deceived men, but has no physical existence, and others, but I never thought anyone would be so absurd as to put their faith in worldly philosophers and the egotistical nonsense they write.
As I have said in part before, When I was a very young girl brought up in a religiously divided household I could readily see both cult religions represented were completely wrong. When I was about eight years old, I started a search for the true religion as I well knew neither Catholicism (RCC) nor Islam could be that. I was constantly at the local library in my native village trying to learn more and by the time I was about 10 years old, I had taught myself to read English since most of the books on history and religion were either in English or German. I selected English as I considered it the up and coming language.
My grandfather, when I was a little girl in my native village, taught me early on to never waste anything. I was brought up in a mixed family religious wise, but by the time I was about 8 years old and I had already ascertained that neither Islam or Catholicism held any truth, and had already determined they only contained creedal hogwash dogma and tradition. I did a rigorous search visiting libraries and checking encyclopedias, dictionaries, history books, etc. and in the process improved my reading and comprehension skills to a level far above my peers in school. I even taught myself how to read English, as I said previously, a foreign language for me, as it was NOT one of the two or three languages used in my home or community. My father died when I was only 6 years old, and my grandfather took over the task of raising myself and my sisters and brothers. He raised us like he taught raw recruits when he was in the Legion, strictly military style with daily cadence marches before school. But he taught us to be independent and able to take care of ourselves and to think for ourselves, and that most religion was just plain phony. I learned to cultivate rice and wade in a rice patty, how to grow sugar cane, sweet potatoes, lettuce, etc. And my mother taught us how to cook all of our native dishes - mostly rice and bean dishes with a little bit of chicken. Until I went to New York City I had never heard of or eaten a hamburger or hot dog. But when my aunt took me to Coney Island, she got me both plus a candy corn cone. Subways were a mystery to me at first, as I thought it strange to go down into the earth to catch a train as the sugar cane train in my native village ran above ground.
When I was about 12, I was sent away from my native village to another country because the family thought I needed to learn more and I had exhausted the resources of our small library. They sent me to another country to a city with great library resources, New York City, USA. I loved the main library of that city in Manhattan, it had exceptionally great resources and even had electric lights so you did not have to sit by a window to read. Of course I had a problem the first year in the school there as all classes were in English which I had taught myself to read well, but I could NOT speak English as it was not one of the three languages I heard in my native village. By the age of 13, I saw most religions were totally wrong, but had narrowed my search to about 7 among which was the SDA. But the SDA when I did a comparison check in the big book that listed a 105 doctrines across the top in columns and religions in rows, page after page, I could see they were also in error.
CONCLUSION:
As I said at the beginning,
<<<" Some can not see the connection between love and justice, but Karen Lebacqz in her book, "Six Theories of Justice," published in 1986, said, "Indeed, perfect justice would be love. But since love cannot be fully ... Love requires justice for the complex realities of the sinful social world. ..." Yes, Almighty God (YHWH) believes in love, but he also believes in perfect justice. This fact has been clearly shown in the past with the judgment flood of Noah's day, sent to punish an ungodly world recorded in Genesis 6:4-13, [[previously quoted.]]>>>.
This is clearly shown by their terribly distorted view of reality and truth and their lack of comprehension of the true meaning of everyday words such as judgment, intolerance, genocide, ethnic-cleansing, etc. which they miss apply to situations they DO NOT FIT.
They should instead undertake a sincere and pure search for the genuine (true) religion and become genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ and stop wasting time on misunderstandings and untruths.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
INTRODUCTION:
There are two general types of skeptics we shall look at the characteristics of both:
FIRST, There is the positive thinking skeptic pragmatic realist that is skeptic of all he/she is told, but strives towards learning ultimate truths in their field of interest. They are the type described by the Apostle Paul at Acts 17:10-11, “And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” (Authorized King James Bible; AV). These do NOT let personal biases and/or beliefs stand in the way of continuing on the path with respect trying to learn ultimate truth.
SECOND, There is the negative thinking skeptic, called a Pyrrhonist, that constantly sees everything in a negative and/or highly distorted way. They constantly read negativity into all things and do NOT consider the context of events; to wit, they form negative opinions without seriously considering that the intervening facts if considered would clearly show them in error.
And examples of the thinking of both types:
The negative thinking Pyrrhonist focuses on the weaknesses of others or seeming negatives of a situation. In doing so, the Pyrrhonist is like one using a camera with a lens that focuses on only a very small area. However, the positive thinking skeptic pragmatic realist is like using a camera with the lenses focused wide-angle or open which can take in a subject as well as its surroundings. The Pyrrhonist tends to focus in on something he/she does not like instead of examining the subject or situation in its entirety to get the overall ‘picture.’ The more one strives to be like skeptic pragmatic realist, the more he/she sees the big picture and this in positive terms. In fact, it has been shown that the skeptic pragmatic realist tends to be more considerate and loving of others and willing to forgive others for their imperfections; whereas, the Pyrrhonist seeks to peck at every perceived little flaw, real and/or imagined.
JESUS (YESHUA) CHRIST EXAMPLE OF AN OPTOMIST WITH TOTALLY POSITIVE OUTLOOK:
As we well know, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ was keenly aware that humans were imperfect and have the tendency to be judgmental; therefore, he counseled at Matthew 7:1, “Judge not, that ye be not judged.” (AV). Notice that Jesus (Yeshua) Christ did not say, “Do not Judge”; he said, “stop judging.” He knew that many of his listeners were already in the habit of being critical of others and of events they may not have liked one aspect of. Could it be that you have developed such a habit? If one has that tendency, he/she ought to work hard to change, so that we are not adversely judged as brought out at Matthew 7:2, “For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.” (AV). Really, now who are we to judge someone or an event that Almighty God (YHWH), the Creator of All there is, whom he has found acceptable such as Moses, King David, Joshua, etc., and/or event that he brought about in his infinite wisdom. Consider Romans 14:1-4, “Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.” (AV).
Unlike Jesus (Yeshua) Christ and his Father, Almighty God (YHWH), we do not have the ability to see the inner potential of others. A good example of this is the Apostle Paul who had formerly been a fanatic persecutor of the genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ in whom Jesus (Yeshua) Christ saw something good in, and decided to use him as one of his followers as recorded at Acts 9:1-9, “And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, 2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. 3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. 7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. 8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.” (AV).
Next, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ took steps to turn Saul around into becoming the powerful Apostle Paul as recorded at Acts 9:10-31, “And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. 11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, 12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight. 13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: 14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. 15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: 16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake. 17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. 19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. 20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. 21 But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests? 22 But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ. 23 And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him: 24 But their laying await was known of Saul. And they watched the gates day and night to kill him. 25 Then the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket. 26 And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple. 27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus. 28 And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem. 29 And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him. 30 Which when the brethren knew, they brought him down to Caesarea, and sent him forth to Tarsus. 31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.” (AV).
This is just one example of how Almighty God (YHWH), the Father, and his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ have the outstanding ability to focus on the good in a person, i.e., be positive in their thinking. This is also shown with regard King David, he was definitely not perfect and committed many wrongs, but Almighty God (YHWH) saw good in his as recorded at 1 Kings 14:8, “And rent the kingdom away from the house of David, and gave it thee: and yet thou hast not been as my servant David, who kept my commandments, and who followed me with all his heart, to do that only which was right in mine eyes;” (AV). Of course, we well know that David did some things that were wrong. However, Almighty God (YHWH) chose to focus on the good because he knew that David’s heart was upright per 1 Chronicles 29:17, “I know also, my God, that thou triest the heart, and hast pleasure in uprightness. As for me, in the uprightness of mine heart I have willingly offered all these things: and now have I seen with joy thy people, which are present here, to offer willingly unto thee.” (AV).
As can readily be seen, both Almighty God (YHWH), Creator of all there is, and his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ are positive in their thinking and all of us, humans, should be likewise and NOT BE negative thinking Pyrrhonist.
CIRCULAR REASONING AND ACTIONS OF PYRRHONIST:
Pyrrhonist not only WRONGLY focus in on one small item of a large picture that seems to them to be negative, but worse yet they totally fail to see the big picture that would totally invalidate their erroneous point of view; to wit, they are like a camera focused in on the minute but missing the big picture of a lens focused wide-angle or open which can take in a subject as well as its surroundings. But worse yet, do not comprehend/understand even after the big picture has been explained to them many times. To wit, they have mental blinders on with strictly a negative minute focus.
Now what does this inability to see the big picture do to having mental blinders on with strictly a negative minute focus? It causes them to return time and time to what their negative thinking mind can not grasp just like a dog returning to his/her own vomit or a sow wallowing in the mire per 2 Peter 2:2, “It has happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog turning to his own vomit again, and the sow that had washed to wallowing in the mire.” (American Standard Version; ASV).
In modern terms like a broken record.
CONCLUSION:
Due to the circular reasoning and actions of Pyrrhonist, no educational purpose is served by continually going over their same old negative garbage. They seem to get some perverted joy out of being like a broken record, but there is nothing positive in this.
It is my intent to develop standard replies and/or using previous replies to answer their broken record syndrome when it rears its ugly head.
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Standard Reply #1: Truth With Respect The Bible
It is not what I believe and/or do not believe, but what is fact that matters. The facts are recorded and Pyrrhonist is either ignorant of them or can not comprehend that they are true because of his negative personality and therefore does not realize the Bible is NOT the product of one committee or strongman. It has over 40 individual writers who wrote under divine inspiration/guidance putting the thoughts of God (YHWH) into the words of men much as transcribing secretaries today taking transcription and then later typing it out. In other words one real author, God (YHWH), and many scribes each of whom wrote in his own style over a period of approximately 1,600 years. All of what people call or consider inconsistencies are really not such, but most often just a problem of translation and/or understanding, i.e., lack of understanding of what the original writer writing in his own language and culture meant/said in his original writing. What is remarkable, is the writers over such a period of time all wrote in harmony when even most posters on threads on this forum can not even stay on track or subject over a period of a few days and/or weeks at most with the original subject of the thread. This fact of harmony over a period so great as to almost stagger the imagination shows that it had one guiding force or author who divinely inspired its writers as humans of their own volition can not keep on track over short periods of time.
To wit, the Bible is the ONLY book God (YHWH) ever inspired men to write as his scribes. In other words, God is its author and men only put his thoughts given to them by divine inspiration into their own words, the words of men. Not only that, all the other writers of later so called religious guidance books borrowed from it and made changes in accord with their strong man or so called prophet. Take the example of Joseph Smith who borrowed from it to write the Book of Mormon, but failed to give credit or source to the Bible and twisted some borrowed things into bizarre distortions. Other examples are of course the bizarre writings of David Koresh the Prophet of the Branch Dividians of Waco, Texas; and the Quran, etc.
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Standard Reply #2 Whose Land is It?
SECOND, As recorded at Numbers 33:50-56,
"And Jehovah spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho, saying,
51 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye pass over the Jordan into the land of Canaan,
52 then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their figured stones, and destroy all their molten images, and demolish all their high places:
53 and ye shall take possession of the land, and dwell therein; for unto you have I given the land to possess it.
54 And ye shall inherit the land by lot according to your families; to the more ye shall give the more inheritance, and to the fewer thou shalt give the less inheritance: wheresoever the lot falleth to any man, that shall be his; according to the tribes of your fathers shall ye inherit.
55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you, then shall those that ye let remain of them be as pricks in your eyes, and as thorns in your sides, and they shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
56And it shall come to pass, that, as I thought to do unto them, so will I do unto you." (American Standard Version; ASV).
It is plain to see that the Creator of all there is, Almighty God (YHWH), clearly gave the land of Palestine to the ancient Israelites, and those on it were just evil squatters, but for more details, go to,
[go to] Whose Land Is It? A Study of The Land of Palestine at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....64569930&page=1
And world renown Bible scholar Matthew Henry stated,
#50-56 Now that they were to pass over Jordan, they were entering again into temptation to follow idols; and they are threatened that, if they spared either the idols or the idolaters, their sin would certainly be their punishment. They would foster vipers in their own bosoms. The remnant of the Canaanites, if they made any peace with them, though but for a time, would be pricks in their eyes, and thorns in their sides. We must expect trouble and affliction from whatever sin we indulge; that which we are willing should tempt us, will vex us. It was intended that the Canaanites should be put out of the land; but if the Israelites learned their wicked ways, they also would be put out. Let us hear this and fear. If we do not drive out sin, sin will drive us out. If we are not the death of our lusts, our lusts will be the death of our souls.[source – Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary]
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Standard Reply #3 Questions on the Covenants
He negatively questions the covenants, but for anyone wanting to know the facts, go to,
[go to on the Old Law Covenant] Discourse On the Law Covenant Made by God With Israel and Fulfilled By The Ransom Sacrifice of his Son: at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1164830616
or
jude3.proboards92.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ch&thread=140&page=1 [first post]
[go to on the New Covenant] God's (YHWH's) New Covenant at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1164830823
or
jude3.proboards92.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ch&thread=140&page=1 [second post]
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Standard Reply #4 Divine Judgment
Some Pyrrhonist refer to execution of divine justice as genocide and other negative things which it definitely was not, but this only shows his ignorance of earlier executions of justice referred to at 1 Peter 3:20, "that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water:" (ASV), where Almighty God (YHWH) used his angels to do the execution of the ungodly. Now of course no man has the right to question and/or judge the acts of his Creator as the Pyrrhonist is WRONGLY doing, it is as Isaiah 29:16, "" Ye turn things upside down! Shall the potter be esteemed as clay; that the thing made should say of him that made it, He made me not; or the thing formed say of him that formed it, He hath no understanding?" (ASV).
For more details, go to,
[go to] Perfect Love Requires Perfect Justice: at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1202837827
Or
jude3.proboards92.com/index.cgi?a....02837312&page=1
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Standard Reply #5, Strange Conduct Of Negative Thinking Individuals:
A certain ‘babbler’ on this forum from S.C. makes be think of another individual from S.C., Ryan Schallenberger, as neither of them make any coherent sense of the world around them. Here are the details on Ryan Schallenberger.:
Teen wanted to die, kill Jesus, agent says.
The Associated Press as appeared in The Palm Beach Post on Wednesday, April 30, 2008, page 2A.
Florence, S.C. - A teen accused of plotting to blow up his high school told police that he wanted to die, go to heaven and kill Jesus, federal authorities said Tuesday.
Prosecutors argued in court the statements show Ryan Schallenberger, 18, needs psychological evaluation. The straight A Chesterfield High School senior was arrested April 19 and faces state and federal charges, including attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction, which could carry a life sentence if he is convicted.
"His conduct is bizarre," prosecutor Buddy Bethea told Judge Thomas Rogers III, who did not immediately issue a ruling. "I think it screams out in his conduct that he be evaluated."
Defense attorney Bill Nettles said the request was premature, and Schallenberger was competent to help in his defense.
Prosecutors want Schallenberger, at Chesterfield County jail moved to a federal facility because they say he may try to commit suicide. His journal writings have become more violent in the past year, prosecutor Rose Mary Parham said.
An agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives testified that the teen told a sheriff he wanted to die after his arrest.
"He said death was better than life," Craig Townsend said. "He told the sheriff he wanted to die and go to heaven and once he got there, he wanted to kill Jesus."
[source - The Associated Press as appeared in The Palm Beach Post on Wednesday, April 30, 2008, page 2A.]
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Standard Reply #6, Almighty God (YHWH), the Creator of All there is, and his Son, Jesus (Yeshua), not magical persons.
Your Creator is Almighty God (YHWH) and not a magical being; but you fail to recognize reality here as you are a Pyrrhonist.
As I told you on another thread with respect similar negative Pyrrhonism nonsense, and your adoration of egotistical self-centered worldly philosophers:
Pyrrhonist either forgets or is ignorant of the Apostle Paul’s encounter with worldly egotistical self-centered philosophers, and how he DID NOT waste time discussing all of their many ideas/opinions, but went on to show them the truth. Let’s look at Acts 17:18-34, and learn reality and why not to waste time discussing silly opinions/ideas of with worldly egotistical self-centered philosophers with them from the example set by the Apostle Paul:
"And certain also of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers encountered him. And some said, What would this babbler say? others, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached Jesus and the resurrection.
19 And they took hold of him, and brought him unto the Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new teaching is, which is spoken by thee?
20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
21 (Now all the Athenians and the strangers sojourning there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell or to hear some new thing.)
22 And Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus, and said, Ye men of Athens, in all things, I perceive that ye are very religious.
23 For as I passed along, and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. What therefore ye worship in ignorance, this I set forth unto you.
24 The God that made the world and all things therein, he, being Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 neither is he served by men’s hands, as though he needed anything, seeing he himself giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 and he made of one every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed seasons, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 that they should seek God, if haply they might feel after him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us:
28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain even of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and device of man.
30 The times of ignorance therefore God overlooked; but now he commandeth men that they should all everywhere repent:
31 inasmuch as he hath appointed a day in which he will judge the world in righteousness by the man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
32 Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked; but others said, We will hear thee concerning this yet again.
33 Thus Paul went out from among them.
34 But certain men clave unto him, and believed: among whom also was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them." (American Standard Version; ASV).
As can be seen, the Apostle Paul did not waste time discussing their opinions/ideas with the philosophers, but got right into delivering reality, the truth to them per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) so why should I deviate from this example set by the Apostle Paul?
Worse yet, Pyrrhonist wants me to discuss this nonsense when those making it are NOT even present, i.e., third hand nonsense – just how ridiculas can one get so as to request such nonsense?
Its like what is written at Acts 17:21, "(Now all the Athenians and the strangers sojourning there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell or to hear some new thing.)" Now because he has sunk to such absurd nonsense is absolutely no reason for me to follow him into the muck of egotistical men and their stupid opinions.
And, as I also told him on that thread,
First, You seem to go for worldly egotistical self-centered worldly philosophers and atheist nonsense and that guy is the personification of both of those. Even further way out than you are. Are you going to contact him?
Second, You do not seem to be able to make the jump in reality from the fact that if Almighty God (YHWH) could create all there is, i.e., the universe, the earth, animal kind, mankind, etc. It would be no real task for him to,
flying chariots, and animals speaking in human language, mysterious food that magically appears
So when are you going to realize that if he could create the universe, all of these are by comparison no task at all for him?
Third, With regard to all the wars and killings mentioned in the Bible, they are historical events; many also are recorded as they have some lesson to teach us. However, you fail to look for the lesson and just come off negative, but I guess that is to be expected since you are nothing but a Pyrrhonist and as I have said before in one of my research products,
Before we delve deep into the subject of why this type of skepticism is foolish, let's look at a definition of Pyrrhonism from the Catholic Encyclopedia,
<<<" Pyrrhonism
Pyrrhonism is a system of scepticism, the founder of which was Pyrrho, a Greek philosopher, about whom very little is known except that he died in 270 B. C. The best known of Pyrrho's disciples was Timon of Philius, known as the sillographer. Pyrrho's scepticism was so complete and comprehensive that the word Pyrrhonism is sometimes used as a synonym for scepticism, The scepticism of Pyrrho's school covered three points.
(1) All the dogmatists, that is to say, all the philosophers who believed that truth and certitude can be attained, were mere sophists; they were self-deceived and deceivers of others.
(2) Certitude is impossible of attainment, not only because of the possibility that our faculties deceive us, but also because, in themselves, things are neither one thing nor the other, neither good nor evil, beautiful nor ugly, large nor small. Or, rather, things are both good and evil, beautiful and ugly, large and small, so that there is no reason why we should affirm that they are one thing rather than the other. This conviction was expressed in the famous saying, ouden mallon, nothing is more one thing than another; the paper is not more white than black, the piece of sugar is not more sweet than bitter, and so forth.
(3) The reality of things being inaccessible to the human mind, and certitude being impossible of attainment, the wise man doubts about everything; that is, he recognizes the futility of inquiry into reality and abstains from judging. This abstention is called epoche. It is the foundation of happiness. Because he alone can attain happiness who cultivates imperturbability, ataraxia; and then only is the mind proof against disquietude when we realize that every attempt to attain the truth is doomed to failure.
From this account of the principles of Pyrrhonism, it is evident that Pyrrho's aim was ethical. Like all the philosophers of the period in which he lived, he concerned himself principally with the problem of happiness. The Stoics sought to found happiness on the realization of the reign of law in human nature as well as in nature. The Epicureans grounded happiness on the conviction that transitory feeling is the one important phenomenon in human life. The Eclectics placed the intellectual basis of happiness in the conviction that all systems of philosophy are equally true. The Pyrrhonist, as well as the other sceptics of that period, believed that there is no possibility of attaining happiness unless one first realizes that all systems of philosophy are equally false and that the real truth of things cannot be attained. Pyrrhonism is, therefore, an abdication of all the supposed rights of the mind, and cannot be dealt with by the ordinary rules of logic or by the customary canons of philosophical criticism." [source - The Catholic Encyclopedia]>>>.
In other words, the philosophical skeptics, or Pyrrhonist believe there is no possibility of learning real truth; to wit, which is a rejection of the existence of real truth. Whereas, the skeptic pragmatic realist knows there is real truth and seeks actively for it - a healthy outlook.
In their absurd effort to deny even to themselves that real truth exist the Pyrrohonist pokes or makes fun of the ideal that real truth can exist and make very negative comments about anything that could possibly be real truth and/or approaching it, and of skeptic pragmatic realist who pursue finding real truth. Their comments are always negative and belittling and never up-building in the slightest.[source - Skepticism With a Purpose and Skepticism Without A Purpose: at ]http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=announcements&thread=698]
Due to your warped from of skepticism you are totally unable to see anything positive with regard to any subject you have a phobia about; whereas, I am an objective skeptic pragmatic realist and can see and understand ultimate truth which you can not.
Third, You said,
drinking the magic "blood" of the magic person
No one drank the literal blood of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ whom you are calling a magic person, they only drank wine in symbol of his shed blood. Get your facts straight. Also, he is NOT a magic person but the Son of God as shown in the Book of Matthew as follows,
Matthew 4:3 And the tempter came and said unto him, If thou art the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.
Matthew 4:6 and saith unto him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and, On their hands they shall bear thee up, lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Matthew 8:29 And behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Matthew 14:33 And they that were in the boat worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Matthew 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou art the Christ, the Son of God.
Matthew 27:40 and saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself: if thou art the Son of God, come down from the cross.
Matthew 27:43 He trusteth on God; let him deliver him now, if he desireth him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
Matthew 27:54 Now the centurion, and they that were with him watching Jesus, when they saw the earthquake, and the things that were done, feared exceedingly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. All from (American Standard Version; ASV).
Now stop being such a negative person and start seeking ultimate truth per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
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Standard Reply #7, No Need To Discuss Unreal Ideas:
As pointed out by the example of the Apostle Paul at the Areopagus there is no point in discussing the unreal ideas, really nothing but opinions of men, that are NOT based on reality and truth per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV). To wit, there is nothing to be gained and it is as silly as starting a serious discussion on the ‘tooth fairy’ as there would be no rational purpose to same. Any discussion on nonsense of men will never end up with anything positive and is as silly as a big discussion that once occurred in the middle ages at a monastery that went on for months about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin – nothing upbuilding or beneficial came out of it so what purpose did it serve?
You rail against reality; to wit, the Inspired Word of Almighty God (YHWH), the Creator of all there is, yet put forth the nonsense opinions of mere men, how utterly foolish. As I have shown you before and apparently it has not yet sunk in:
Pyrrhonist either forgets or is ignorant of the Apostle Paul’s encounter with worldly egotistical self-centered philosophers, and how he DID NOT waste time discussing all of their many ideas/opinions, but went on to show them the truth. Let’s look at Acts 17:18-34, and learn reality and why not to waste time discussing silly opinions/ideas of with worldly egotistical self-centered philosophers with them from the example set by the Apostle Paul:
"And certain also of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers encountered him. And some said, What would this babbler say? others, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached Jesus and the resurrection.
19 And they took hold of him, and brought him unto the Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new teaching is, which is spoken by thee?
20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
21 (Now all the Athenians and the strangers sojourning there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell or to hear some new thing.)
22 And Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus, and said, Ye men of Athens, in all things, I perceive that ye are very religious.
23 For as I passed along, and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. What therefore ye worship in ignorance, this I set forth unto you.
24 The God that made the world and all things therein, he, being Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 neither is he served by men’s hands, as though he needed anything, seeing he himself giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 and he made of one every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed seasons, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 that they should seek God, if haply they might feel after him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us:
28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain even of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and device of man.
30 The times of ignorance therefore God overlooked; but now he commandeth men that they should all everywhere repent:
31 inasmuch as he hath appointed a day in which he will judge the world in righteousness by the man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
32 Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked; but others said, We will hear thee concerning this yet again.
33 Thus Paul went out from among them.
1. But certain men clave unto him, and believed: among whom also was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them." (American Standard Version; ASV).
As can be seen, the Apostle Paul did not waste time discussing their opinions/ideas with the philosophers, but got right into delivering reality, the truth to them per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) so why should I deviate from this example set by the Apostle Paul?
Worse yet, Pyrrhonist wants me to discuss this nonsense when those making it are NOT even present, i.e., third hand nonsense – just how ridiculas can one get so as to request such nonsense?
Its like what is written at Acts 17:21, "(Now all the Athenians and the strangers sojourning there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell or to hear some new thing.)" Now because he has sunk to such absurd nonsense is absolutely no reason for me to follow him into the muck of egotistical men and their stupid opinions.
For more details go to the following:
[1] STANDARDS ARE PROMULGATED NOT PROVEN BUT USED:
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1163274395
[2] Civilization and the Bible
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1163274110
[3] Those Failing to Understand The Bible Make Outlandish Statements
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1191253546
[4] Discourse on the Bible:
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....63274997&page=1
[5] Discourse on the Word of God Vs. the Unreliable Word of Men:
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1163275304
[6] Discourse on Who and When The Bible Was Written and Who Was Its Author:
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1163275505
[7] Discourse on Candor Proves Bible the Word of God
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1163263186
Also, you do not even understand what a 'cult' is theologically speaking as shown by your post. Now go to the following and learn:
[1] Discourse on Cults and False Accusations Against Jesus' Followers:
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1165607862
[2] WHAT IS AND IS NOT A CULT,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....read=1168533850
[3] Cult Charistics:
religioustruths.proboards59.com/i....ticscult&thread
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Standard Reply #8, Pyrrhonist Keep Repeating the Same Old Smelly Nonsens:
Pyrrhonist falsely accuse others of posting the same type of answer, but then what should they expect when they figuratively keep posting the same old smelly nonsense with a slightly new wrapper. It is as if you picked up a dead roadkill skunk and kept putting him into a different bag – it would still smell, and the same goes for the smelly opinions of egotistical self-centered worldly philosophers to whom you obviously show adoration that you keep posting.
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Standard Reply #9, What is Judgment:
WHAT IS JUDGMENT?
Many who show adoration to egotistical worldly philosophers and false god(s) do not comprehend what judgment is and why Almighty God (YHWH) must pass it to show perfect love.
Webster's dictionary defines judgment as follows:
<<<" Judgment (Page: 804)
Judg"ment (?), n. [OE. jugement, F. jugement, LL. judicamentum, fr. L. judicare. See Judge, v. i.]
1. The act of judging; the operation of the mind, involving comparison and discrimination, by which a knowledge of the values and relations of thins, whether of moral qualities, intellectual concepts, logical propositions, or material facts, is obtained; as, by careful judgment he avoided the peril; by a series of wrong judgments he forfeited confidence.
I oughte deme, of skilful jugement, That in the salte sea my wife is deed. Chaucer. ...
4. The act of determining, as in courts of law, what is conformable to law and justice; also, the determination, decision, or sentence of a court, or of a judge; the mandate or sentence of God as the judge of all.
In judgments between rich and poor, consider not what the poor man needs, but what is his own. Jer. Taylor. ...
6. A calamity regarded as sent by God, by way of recompense for wrong committed; a providential punishment. Judgments are prepared for scorners." Prov. xix. 29. This judgment of the heavens that makes us tremble." Shak.
7. (Theol.) The final award; the last sentence. &hand; Judgment, abridgment, acknowledgment, and lodgment are in England sometimes written, judgement, abridgement, acknowledgement, and lodgement. &hand; Judgment is used adjectively in many self-explaining combinations; as, judgment hour; judgment throne. Judgment day (Theol.), the last day, or period when final judgment will be pronounced on the subjects of God's moral government. -- Judgment debt (Law), a debt secured to the creditor by a judge's order. -- Judgment hall, a hall where courts are held. -- Judgment seat, the seat or bench on which judges sit in court; hence, a court; a tribunal. We shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ." Rom. xiv. 10. -- Judgment summons (Law), a proceeding by a judgment creditor against a judgment debtor upon an unsatisfied judgment. Arrest of judgment. (Law) See under Arrest, n. -- Judgment of God, a term formerly applied to extraordinary trials of secret crimes, as by arms and single combat, by ordeal, etc.; it being imagined that God would work miracles to vindicate innocence. See under Ordeal. Syn. -- Discernment; decision; determination; award; estimate; criticism; taste; discrimination; penetration; sagacity; intelligence; understanding. See Taste." [source - Webster's Revised Unabridged, 1913 Edition]>>>.
And,
<<<" JUDGMENT, practice. The decision or sentence of the law, given by a court of justice or other competent tribunal, as the result of proceedings instituted therein, for the redress of an injury.
2. The language of judgments, therefore, is not that "it is decreed," or "resolved," by the court; but "it is considered," (consideratum est per curiam) that the plaintiff recover his debt, damages, or possession, as the case may require, or that the defendant do go without day. This implies that the judgment is not so much the decision of the court, as the sentence of the law pronounced and decreed by the court, after due deliberation and inquiry.
3. To be valid, a judicial judgment must be given by a competent judge or court, [[The Supreme being of the universe is definitely also the most competent one.]]at a time and place appointed by law, and in the form it requires. A judgment would be null, if the judge had not jurisdiction of the matter; or, having such jurisdiction, he exercised it when there was no court held, or but of his district; or if be rendered a judgment before the cause was prepared for a hearing. ...
22. A final judgment is one which puts an end to the suit. [[Almighty God (YHWH) judgments against the ungodly and their execution are final.]] ...
[source - A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.]>>>.
So as can be seen a judgment is the judging of the wrong doer and execution of the judgment is the exercise of the penalty for that wrong. It is not intolerance, ethnic cleansing, genocide, but the execution of judgment.
UNBELIEVERS IN THE TRUE GOD DO NOT COMPREHEND WHAT INTOLERANCE IS:
Unbelievers is the true God do not get the real meaning of intolerance, but wrongly try to apply it to the execution of judgments of Almighty God (YHWH), the Supreme being of the universe. Now let's consider just what intolerance is:
<<<" Intolerance is the lack of ability or willingness to tolerate something.
* In pressed through angry argumentation, looking down at people because of their characteristics or viewpoints, negatively portraying something due the contrast with one's own beliefs, etc. On a more extreme level, it can lead to violence - in its most severe form, genocide. Possibly the most infamous example in Western culture is the Holocaust. Colonialism was based, in part, on a lack of tolerance of cultures different than that of the mother country.
* There is debate as to where a government can use its force to prevent what it defines as hate speech. For example, the First Amendment to the United States Constitution allows such expression of intolerance without criminal action. In some other countries people can be prosecuted for such speech. This is a question of how much intolerance the government should tolerate, and how it decides what constitutes the expression of hate.
As the debate as to what to do about other people's intolerance continues, what is often ignored is how to recognize and deal with one's own.
[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>>.
Now let's look at what genocide (ethnic cleaning) is.
UNBELIEVERS IN THE TRUE GOD DO NOT COMPREHEND WHAT GENOCIDE (ETHNIC CLEANING) IS:
Unbelievers is the true God do not get the real meaning of 'genocide' (ethnic clearning), but wrongly try to apply it to the execution of judgments of Almighty God (YHWH), the Supreme being of the universe. Now let's consider just what 'genocide' (ethnic clearning), is:
<<<"Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of an ethnic, racial, religious or national group.
While precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. Article 2 of this defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."[1] ...
It is commonly accepted that, at least since World War II, genocide has been illegal under customary international law as a peremptory norm, as well as under conventional international law. Acts of genocide are generally difficult to establish for prosecution, because a chain of accountability must be established. International criminal courts and tribunals function primarily because the states involved are incapable or unwilling to prosecute crimes of this magnitude themselves." [source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>>.
It is NOT the receiving of punishment for wrong doing. Punishment by definition is,
<<<"PUNISHMENT -- NOUN: 1a. The act or an instance of punishing. b. The condition of being punished. 2. A penalty imposed for wrongdoing: "The severity of the punishment must . . . be in keeping with the kind of obligation which has been violated" (Simone Weil). [[Almighty God (YHWH) as the Supreme being in the universe has the absolute right to have punishment carried out.]]
[source - The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.].
Yet it is quite strange that some learned ones can easily understand/comprehend esoteric terms, but can NOT properly apply or understand everyday terms. One reason may be they have not made a sufficiently in-depth search for the genuine (true) dogma of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ with a pure motive. To show what I mean by an in-depth search with a pure motive, I shall, in brief, review my own search as a young girl.
MY OWN PURE SEARCH FOR TRUTH IN RELIGION AS A YOUNG GIRL:
When I was a very young girl in my native village, I never knew there were individuals so absurd as to believe in and pay adoration to worldly philosophers instead of to Almighty God (YHWH). I did know there were false god(s) and that some people even considered the ruler of their nation was a god such as the ancient Babylonians, Egyptians, etc., but I never imagine there were individuals so blind to reality, the truth per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) that they would pay adoration to egotistical worldly philosophers and quote their absurd nonsense as if they considered it sacred scripture. As one individual, a cult member, I usually strongly disagree with brought out by posting the following scripture, Jeremiah 2:19, "Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and a bitter, that thou hast forsaken Jehovah thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord, Jehovah of hosts." (American Standard Version; ASV); ti wit, These individuals that pay adoration to worldly philosophers and treat their egotistical self-centered writings were for me as a young girl just unimaginable. I well knew of false god(s) such as the mythical god, the old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah," who only exist in the imaginations of deceived men, but has no physical existence, and others, but I never thought anyone would be so absurd as to put their faith in worldly philosophers and the egotistical nonsense they write.
As I have said in part before, When I was a very young girl brought up in a religiously divided household I could readily see both cult religions represented were completely wrong. When I was about eight years old, I started a search for the true religion as I well knew neither Catholicism (RCC) nor Islam could be that. I was constantly at the local library in my native village trying to learn more and by the time I was about 10 years old, I had taught myself to read English since most of the books on history and religion were either in English or German. I selected English as I considered it the up and coming language.
My grandfather, when I was a little girl in my native village, taught me early on to never waste anything. I was brought up in a mixed family religious wise, but by the time I was about 8 years old and I had already ascertained that neither Islam or Catholicism held any truth, and had already determined they only contained creedal hogwash dogma and tradition. I did a rigorous search visiting libraries and checking encyclopedias, dictionaries, history books, etc. and in the process improved my reading and comprehension skills to a level far above my peers in school. I even taught myself how to read English, as I said previously, a foreign language for me, as it was NOT one of the two or three languages used in my home or community. My father died when I was only 6 years old, and my grandfather took over the task of raising myself and my sisters and brothers. He raised us like he taught raw recruits when he was in the Legion, strictly military style with daily cadence marches before school. But he taught us to be independent and able to take care of ourselves and to think for ourselves, and that most religion was just plain phony. I learned to cultivate rice and wade in a rice patty, how to grow sugar cane, sweet potatoes, lettuce, etc. And my mother taught us how to cook all of our native dishes - mostly rice and bean dishes with a little bit of chicken. Until I went to New York City I had never heard of or eaten a hamburger or hot dog. But when my aunt took me to Coney Island, she got me both plus a candy corn cone. Subways were a mystery to me at first, as I thought it strange to go down into the earth to catch a train as the sugar cane train in my native village ran above ground.
When I was about 12, I was sent away from my native village to another country because the family thought I needed to learn more and I had exhausted the resources of our small library. They sent me to another country to a city with great library resources, New York City, USA. I loved the main library of that city in Manhattan, it had exceptionally great resources and even had electric lights so you did not have to sit by a window to read. Of course I had a problem the first year in the school there as all classes were in English which I had taught myself to read well, but I could NOT speak English as it was not one of the three languages I heard in my native village. By the age of 13, I saw most religions were totally wrong, but had narrowed my search to about 7 among which was the SDA. But the SDA when I did a comparison check in the big book that listed a 105 doctrines across the top in columns and religions in rows, page after page, I could see they were also in error.
CONCLUSION:
As I said at the beginning,
<<<" Some can not see the connection between love and justice, but Karen Lebacqz in her book, "Six Theories of Justice," published in 1986, said, "Indeed, perfect justice would be love. But since love cannot be fully ... Love requires justice for the complex realities of the sinful social world. ..." Yes, Almighty God (YHWH) believes in love, but he also believes in perfect justice. This fact has been clearly shown in the past with the judgment flood of Noah's day, sent to punish an ungodly world recorded in Genesis 6:4-13, [[previously quoted.]]>>>.
This is clearly shown by their terribly distorted view of reality and truth and their lack of comprehension of the true meaning of everyday words such as judgment, intolerance, genocide, ethnic-cleansing, etc. which they miss apply to situations they DO NOT FIT.
They should instead undertake a sincere and pure search for the genuine (true) religion and become genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ and stop wasting time on misunderstandings and untruths.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89