Post by iris89 on Aug 15, 2008 17:53:24 GMT -5
Many Sunnis do NOT obey the Qur'an:
Many individuals of many religions are just fooling themselves, it is not what either the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an actually say, but how religious leaders be they priest and/or imams or muftis or what ever teach the people is the interpretation of what is written either in the Bible or the bible knockoff the Qur'an that matters and governs actions. It matters not what the Bible and/or the Bible knockoff really say. People go by what they are taught by their religious leaders. Take the genocide committed by the Roman Catholic Church at the direction of their supreme religious leader, the pope, what mattered was not that the Bible clearly said at Exodus 20:13, "Thou shalt not kill." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), but what their religious leaders told them. Therefore, it is the religion at fault, irregardless of what their particular holy book, be it the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an may say. Neither in so called Christianity or in Islam are most individuals actions really governed in any way by what their particular holy book really says, but they are governed by the interpretation of their religious leaders. Thus, knowing this reality, one would be either just plain stupid and/or dumb to even bother looking at a particular religion's holy book and expect the members would conform to it. Take the Rig Vede and find me for example a Hindu actually conforming to it instead of the interpretation given to it by his religious leaders, like looking for a needle in the haystack per K.S. Lal, India's greatest historian.
The Qur'an clearly says to be kind to others, at Sura 5:13 AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD). Which we shall show from three different versions/translations, requires members of Islam to be kind with others.
YUSUFALI: But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind.
PICKTHAL: And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their context and forget a part of that whereof they were admonished. Thou wilt not cease to discover treachery from all save a few of them. But bear with them and pardon them. Lo! Allah loveth the kindly.
SHAKIR: But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others).
Yet Sunnis claim to obey the Qur'an, but as the following clearly shows they do not:
By Sami al-Jumaili 2 hours, 39 minutes ago [source - news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080815/ts_nm/iraq_dc on 8/15/2008]
KERBALA, Iraq (Reuters) - A roadside bomb struck a minibus packed with pilgrims bound for Iraq's holy Shi'ite city of Kerbala on Friday as authorities deployed more than 40,000 police and soldiers to avert new violence in the annual rite.
Police said one pilgrim was killed and nine were wounded in eastern Baghdad in the attack, which took place as thousands made their way to Kerbala, some walking for days, to mark the birth of Imam al-Mehdi, a revered figure in Shi'ite Islam.
Near Iskandariya town, bloody mattresses and a heap of shoes lay by the roadside where 19 people were killed and 75 wounded overnight by a female suicide bomber, who detonated an explosive vest among pilgrims who had stopped for their evening meal.
Pilgrims had piled nearby the black abayas -- Islamic overgarments -- belonging to women who were slain.
Iraqi security forces, backed by helicopters and hundreds of snipers perched on rooftops, say they will search pilgrims and use bomb-sniffing dogs to detect explosives as part of an effort to avoid the bloodshed that continues to mar such events although overall violence in Iraq drops sharply.
"We have set up scores of watch towers, and have cameras placed in open areas, crossroads and major entrances," Kerbala police chief Major-General Raad Shakir said.
The pilgrimage is one of several annual events that have become shows of force for Iraq's Shi'ite majority since the fall of Sunni Arab leader Saddam Hussein, who restricted Shi'ite religious practice. Sunni Arab militants often strike them.
Suicide attacks in Baghdad and Kerbala during a 2004 pilgrimage killed 171 people. In the war's deadliest incident, more than 1,000 pilgrims were killed in 2005 during a stampede on a bridge triggered by a rumor of a bomber in their midst.
During the last big Shi'ite pilgrimage in Baghdad last month, three female suicide bombers killed nearly 30 worshippers.
Suicide bombings by women have become far more common this year in Iraq, where U.S. forces blame Sunni al Qaeda militants for deploying female bombers to evade security searches.
Shakir said around 2,000 female police officers would be searching women making the annual Sha'abaniya pilgrimage.
In Kerbala, police in fatigues and red berets checked ID cards and patted down faithful entering the golden-domed Imam Hussein mosque, strung with brightly colored neon lights.
Outside the mosque, throngs of pilgrims, some of them women barely visible under their black robes, sat on blankets.
Authorities have banned people from carrying weapons and chanting sectarian slogans. On the roads to Kerbala, police watched over pilgrims carrying belongings on their backs in the scorching summer heat.
In an attack apparently unrelated to the pilgrimage, a suicide car bomber killed nine people and wounded 40 in Balad, a town north of Baghdad, late on Friday.
Lieutenant Colonel Fadhil al-Jubouri of the police force in nearby Tikrit said women, children and police personnel were among the casualties in the blast.
BRACING FOR THE WORST
Despite the precautions, Kerbala is bracing for the worst. Local health director Alaa Hammoudi said that 40 medical units were standing by, and that extra hospital beds were made ready.
Near the mosque, makeshift clinics were set up in tents and trailers. Some pilgrims donated blood.
Shi'ites believed that Mehdi, the 12th imam, disappeared in the 9th Century but never died. They believe his return will signal the advent of peace and justice on earth.
Last year's pilgrimage for the Mehdi's birth saw gunbattles in Kerbala between Shi'ite factions, which led to a ceasefire by anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr that U.S. forces say is one of the factors contributing to Iraq's fall in violence.
A U.S. military spokesman said U.S. forces would support Iraqi troops if needed.
The United States has been seeking to highlight its secondary role in such security operations as U.S. and Iraqi officials negotiate an agreement to define the U.S. presence in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires at the end of the year.
Iraq's Shi'ite-led government is hoping that U.S. forces will halt patrols of Iraqi cities and towns by the middle of 2009, and withdraw combat troops by 2010 or 2011. So far, President George W. Bush has resisted a firm timetable but has spoken of a "time horizon" for a gradual drawdown of troops.
The U.S. military announced on Friday the death of a marine killed by small arms fire in western Iraq and a soldier in Baghdad from "non-battle related causes." That means 16 U.S. service members have died in Iraq so far this month. Just 13 died in all of July, the least deadly month since the war began.
Cleary this wicked action by Sunnis is NOT in accordance with the Qur'an.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
Many individuals of many religions are just fooling themselves, it is not what either the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an actually say, but how religious leaders be they priest and/or imams or muftis or what ever teach the people is the interpretation of what is written either in the Bible or the bible knockoff the Qur'an that matters and governs actions. It matters not what the Bible and/or the Bible knockoff really say. People go by what they are taught by their religious leaders. Take the genocide committed by the Roman Catholic Church at the direction of their supreme religious leader, the pope, what mattered was not that the Bible clearly said at Exodus 20:13, "Thou shalt not kill." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), but what their religious leaders told them. Therefore, it is the religion at fault, irregardless of what their particular holy book, be it the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an may say. Neither in so called Christianity or in Islam are most individuals actions really governed in any way by what their particular holy book really says, but they are governed by the interpretation of their religious leaders. Thus, knowing this reality, one would be either just plain stupid and/or dumb to even bother looking at a particular religion's holy book and expect the members would conform to it. Take the Rig Vede and find me for example a Hindu actually conforming to it instead of the interpretation given to it by his religious leaders, like looking for a needle in the haystack per K.S. Lal, India's greatest historian.
The Qur'an clearly says to be kind to others, at Sura 5:13 AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD). Which we shall show from three different versions/translations, requires members of Islam to be kind with others.
YUSUFALI: But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind.
PICKTHAL: And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their context and forget a part of that whereof they were admonished. Thou wilt not cease to discover treachery from all save a few of them. But bear with them and pardon them. Lo! Allah loveth the kindly.
SHAKIR: But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others).
Yet Sunnis claim to obey the Qur'an, but as the following clearly shows they do not:
By Sami al-Jumaili 2 hours, 39 minutes ago [source - news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080815/ts_nm/iraq_dc on 8/15/2008]
KERBALA, Iraq (Reuters) - A roadside bomb struck a minibus packed with pilgrims bound for Iraq's holy Shi'ite city of Kerbala on Friday as authorities deployed more than 40,000 police and soldiers to avert new violence in the annual rite.
Police said one pilgrim was killed and nine were wounded in eastern Baghdad in the attack, which took place as thousands made their way to Kerbala, some walking for days, to mark the birth of Imam al-Mehdi, a revered figure in Shi'ite Islam.
Near Iskandariya town, bloody mattresses and a heap of shoes lay by the roadside where 19 people were killed and 75 wounded overnight by a female suicide bomber, who detonated an explosive vest among pilgrims who had stopped for their evening meal.
Pilgrims had piled nearby the black abayas -- Islamic overgarments -- belonging to women who were slain.
Iraqi security forces, backed by helicopters and hundreds of snipers perched on rooftops, say they will search pilgrims and use bomb-sniffing dogs to detect explosives as part of an effort to avoid the bloodshed that continues to mar such events although overall violence in Iraq drops sharply.
"We have set up scores of watch towers, and have cameras placed in open areas, crossroads and major entrances," Kerbala police chief Major-General Raad Shakir said.
The pilgrimage is one of several annual events that have become shows of force for Iraq's Shi'ite majority since the fall of Sunni Arab leader Saddam Hussein, who restricted Shi'ite religious practice. Sunni Arab militants often strike them.
Suicide attacks in Baghdad and Kerbala during a 2004 pilgrimage killed 171 people. In the war's deadliest incident, more than 1,000 pilgrims were killed in 2005 during a stampede on a bridge triggered by a rumor of a bomber in their midst.
During the last big Shi'ite pilgrimage in Baghdad last month, three female suicide bombers killed nearly 30 worshippers.
Suicide bombings by women have become far more common this year in Iraq, where U.S. forces blame Sunni al Qaeda militants for deploying female bombers to evade security searches.
Shakir said around 2,000 female police officers would be searching women making the annual Sha'abaniya pilgrimage.
In Kerbala, police in fatigues and red berets checked ID cards and patted down faithful entering the golden-domed Imam Hussein mosque, strung with brightly colored neon lights.
Outside the mosque, throngs of pilgrims, some of them women barely visible under their black robes, sat on blankets.
Authorities have banned people from carrying weapons and chanting sectarian slogans. On the roads to Kerbala, police watched over pilgrims carrying belongings on their backs in the scorching summer heat.
In an attack apparently unrelated to the pilgrimage, a suicide car bomber killed nine people and wounded 40 in Balad, a town north of Baghdad, late on Friday.
Lieutenant Colonel Fadhil al-Jubouri of the police force in nearby Tikrit said women, children and police personnel were among the casualties in the blast.
BRACING FOR THE WORST
Despite the precautions, Kerbala is bracing for the worst. Local health director Alaa Hammoudi said that 40 medical units were standing by, and that extra hospital beds were made ready.
Near the mosque, makeshift clinics were set up in tents and trailers. Some pilgrims donated blood.
Shi'ites believed that Mehdi, the 12th imam, disappeared in the 9th Century but never died. They believe his return will signal the advent of peace and justice on earth.
Last year's pilgrimage for the Mehdi's birth saw gunbattles in Kerbala between Shi'ite factions, which led to a ceasefire by anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr that U.S. forces say is one of the factors contributing to Iraq's fall in violence.
A U.S. military spokesman said U.S. forces would support Iraqi troops if needed.
The United States has been seeking to highlight its secondary role in such security operations as U.S. and Iraqi officials negotiate an agreement to define the U.S. presence in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires at the end of the year.
Iraq's Shi'ite-led government is hoping that U.S. forces will halt patrols of Iraqi cities and towns by the middle of 2009, and withdraw combat troops by 2010 or 2011. So far, President George W. Bush has resisted a firm timetable but has spoken of a "time horizon" for a gradual drawdown of troops.
The U.S. military announced on Friday the death of a marine killed by small arms fire in western Iraq and a soldier in Baghdad from "non-battle related causes." That means 16 U.S. service members have died in Iraq so far this month. Just 13 died in all of July, the least deadly month since the war began.
Cleary this wicked action by Sunnis is NOT in accordance with the Qur'an.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89