Post by iris89 on Sept 29, 2008 20:53:01 GMT -5
Answering Screwy Islamic Misinformation #1 :
INTRODUCTION:
Members of Islam continue to spread information. It seems to be the only thing they are excellent doing at other than committing violence such as suicide bombings, 9/11, roadside bombs, beheadings, etc. Now of course, this is NOT to say that all of them are into this as this is NOT the case. There are many fine Muslims of course, but their religious leaders do NOT rein in their many 'nut cases.' Of course, Islam is not the only group with this dysfunction, many in Group 2, Christians, [[Group 2 - the false claimants of being followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ involve themselves with war and violence and meddle in politics while falsely claiming to be followers of Christ, the Prince of Peace. The give 'lip' service with respect following to the 'letter' the words and commandments of Christ - the term Sunday Christian aptly fits them. They have their creedal doctrines and/or traditions and assign more importance to these than the Inspired Word of Almighty God (YHWH), the Bible]], are much like many members of Islam. How and why so?
Well it is not what either the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an actually say, but how religious leaders be they priest and/or imams or muftis or what ever teach the people is the interpretation of what is written either in the Bible or the bible knockoff the Qur'an that matters and governs actions. It matters not what the Bible and/or the Bible knockoff really say. People go by what they are taught by their religious leaders. Take the genocide committed by the Roman Catholic Church at the direction of their supreme religious leader, the pope, what mattered was not that the Bible clearly said at Exodus 20:13, "Thou shalt not kill." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), but what their religious leaders told them. Therefore, it is the religion at fault, irregardless of what their particular holy book, be it the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an may say. Neither is so called Christianity or in Islam are most individuals actions really governed in any way by what their particular holy book really says, but they are governed by the interpretation of their religious leaders. Thus, knowing this reality, one would be either just plain stupid and/or dumb to even bother looking at a particular religion's holy book and expect the members would conform to it. Take the Rig Vede and find me for example a Hindu actually conforming to it instead of the interpretation given to it by his religious leaders, like looking for a needle in the haystack per K.S. Lal, India's greatest historian.
Now religious leaders and religions the permit and/or turn their head to wrong doing such as violence bear full responsibility for their inactions. Clearly these religions are false religions and usually worship false god(s) such as the old middle eastern celestial moon god, "Allah."
NOW LET'S LOOK AT SOME SCRIPTURES POSTED OUT OF CONTEXT BY MUSLIMS:
Some Muslims post irrational meanings for scriptures they post out of context. The following is one example:
<<<" I am in line for I have proven that Bible makes people confuse. Take a look at the following:
2 Thessalonians:
Satan, not God, is all-powerful. 2:9
God will cause us to believe lies so that he can d**n our souls to hell. 2:11-12" [source - a Muslim with a problem that does NOT know what reality is]>>>.
Now let's first look at 2 Thessalonians 2:9.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-11, "let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, 4 he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know that which restraineth, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work: only there is one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming; 9 even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie: 12 that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (American Standard Version: ASV).
Now what is the meaning of these scriptures? Let's go to a Bible dictionary for an explanation:
<<<"Treason against God. The "lawlessness" that this composite apostate "man" commits is lawlessness against Jehovah God the Universal Sovereign. This "man" is guilty of treason. He is called "the son of destruction," as was Judas Iscariot, the traitor who betrayed the Lord Jesus Christ and who was instrumental in bringing about his death. He, like Judas, is to be annihilated, sent into extinction forever. This "man" is not "Babylon the Great," who also fights against God, for she is a woman, a harlot. However, since he carries on a religious rebellion against God, he is evidently a part of mystic Babylon.-Joh 17:12; Re 17:3, 5.
"The man of lawlessness" sets himself in opposition to God and is therefore a "satan," which means "resister." And, indeed, his "presence is according to the operation of Satan." (2Th 2:9) In the days of the apostle Paul, there was "mystery," or a religious secret, about the identity of this "man of lawlessness." To this day mystery shrouds his identity in the minds of many persons, because his wickedness is practiced under the guise of godly devotion. (2Th 2:7) By his lying teachings contrary to or superseding, as it were, the law of God, "the man of lawlessness" sets himself up over Jehovah God and other 'gods,' mighty ones of the earth, and also against God's holy ones, true spiritual brothers of Jesus Christ. (Compare 2Pe 2:10-13.) Since he is a hypocrite, a false teacher claiming to be Christian, he "sits down in the temple of The God," that is, what such false teachers claim to be that temple.-2Th 2:4." [source - Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 311 & 656]>>>.
And, Scofield Notes on the Bible says,
<<<" [1] (for that day)
The order of events is:
(1) The working of the mystery of lawlessness under divine restraint
which had already begun in the apostle's time #2Th 2:7
(2) the apostasy of the professing church
#2Th 1:3 Lu 18:8 2Ti 3:1-8." [source - Scofield Notes on the Bible]>>>.
So as can clearly be seen, this scripture is speaking of "the man of lawlessness" a collective group under Satan the Devil in opposition to Almighty God (YHWH) that will come to the forefront just before the culmination of the 'end times.'
Now let's deal with a second scripture this one tried to twist by presenting it out of context.
<<<"1 Timothy:
Stop drinking water. Drink wine for your "stomach's" sake. 5:23
Avoid science, especially that which disagrees with Paul ("science falsely so called"). 6:20" [source - a Muslim with a problem that does NOT know what reality is]>>>.
Now let's first look at 1 Timothy 5:23 in context:
1 Timothy 5:17-25, "Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. 18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. 19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. 20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. 21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality. 22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure. 23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. 24 Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after. 25 Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid." (Authorized King James Bible, AV).
Now what is the meaning of these scriptures? Let's go to a Bible dictionary for an explanation:
<<<" Paul recommended that Timothy take a little wine for the sake of his stomach and his frequent cases of sickness. (1Ti 5:23) That wine has medicinal properties is confirmed by present-day research. Dr. Salvatore P. Lucia, Professor of Medicine, University of California School of Medicine, has stated: "Wine is widely used in the treatment of diseases of the digestive system. . . . The tannin content and the mildly antiseptic properties of wine make it valuable in the treatment of intestinal colic, mucous colitis, spastic constipation, diarrhea and many infectious diseases of the gastrointestinal tract." (Wine as Food and Medicine, 1954, p. 58) Of course, Paul suggested that Timothy "use a little wine," not much wine, and the Bible condemns drunkenness.-Pr 23:20; see DRUNKENNESS.
The Scriptures recognize the psychosomatic principle, though only in relatively recent times have medical researchers in general become aware that there is some connection between pathological conditions in the body and a person's emotional state. Proverbs 17:22 states: "A heart that is joyful does good as a curer, but a spirit that is stricken makes the bones dry." Such emotions as envy, fear, greed, hate, and selfish ambition are injurious, whereas good and sometimes remedial effects are produced through cultivating and displaying love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, and self-control, the fruitage of God's spirit. (Ga 5:22, 23) The Scriptures do not, of course, classify all illness as psychosomatic, nor do they rule out as objectionable all consulting of and treatment by physicians. Paul called the faithful Christian Luke "the beloved physician."-Col 4:14." ." [source - Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 1, p. 632 & 1056]>>>.
And, in Vol. 2 of the same dictionary, it says,
<<<"As indicated by Jesus and reported by the physician Luke, wine had certain medicinal value as an antiseptic and mild disinfectant. (Lu 10:34) The Bible also recommends it as a curative remedy in cases of certain intestinal disturbances. Paul counseled Timothy: "Do not drink water any longer, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent cases of sickness." (1Ti 5:23) This was sound medical advice. As Dr. Salvatore P. Lucia, professor of medicine, University of California School of Medicine, writes: "Wine is the most ancient dietary beverage and the most important medicinal agent in continuous use throughout the history of mankind. . . . Actually, few other substances available to man have been as widely recommended for their curative powers as have wines."-Wine as Food and Medicine, 1954, p. 5; see DISEASES AND TREATMENT." [source - Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 1188]>>>.
So as can readily be seen this individual did NOT know what he was talking about or what was the significance of this scripture.
A REPLY TO A LITTLE MORE RATIONAL MEMBER OF ISLAM - FEMALE:
She said the following:
<<<" There you go again, Iris, claiming to have read something and yet writing something that contridicts something that you read.
Otherwise you would have not titled your article 'teatment of daughters in Islam' You would have called 'the treatment of daughters in America, asia or africa' Because if you had read the Quran, even in english, you got copies with out all the chapters. Count them, your copies should have 114 chapters, none of them written by King James. Then If you have 114 chapers, and not the one from King James, look for the one called 'women' and one called 'the cow' And if you dont have these chapter, you dont have the quran.
Then after you read them you still feel that your title is correct, I wash my hands of you. Because, it just proves you are eather incapible of comprehenion or you should have read it in a language you understand." [source - a little more rational member of Islam writing under a pseudonym]>>>.
Now my answer to this attempt to twist reality is as follows:
FIRST, Some individuals for unknown reasons think that one should believe everything they read, but that is definitely not the case. As an independent researcher I go out and dig out the truth, but this also involves having to wade through a large amount of worthless material such as the Qur'an and the Hadiths. Why even look at such garbage some may ask, and indeed this is a valid question, but some of this garbage does contain a lot of credible history. A good example is the Hadith of Sahih Bukhari which to most in Islam is considered second only to the Qur'an itself.
Let's look at some of the useful items in this most important of Hadiths:
[1] Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
"Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: 'I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).'"[source - Bukhari, vol. 7, #65]
[2] Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
"Narrated Urwa: 'The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).'" [source - Bukhari, vol. 7, #88]
[3] Bukhari vol. 5, #234 says:
"Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age." [source - Bukhari, vol. 5, #234]
Now the translation I use is the most reliable and credible of all. I use the one by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, while at the Islamic University in Medina, Saudi Arabia, translated this Hadith into English, and this Hadith is considered by many in Islam as second only to the Quran. In fact, this translation was signed off by Dr. Amin Amin Al-Masri, Ph.D. Cambridge University. Who is the Advisor and Head of the Sharia Dept., at the College of Sharia and Islamic Studies in Mecca. There is none better. Yet some do not like what I find in this Hadith through my digging and wrongly try to deny what I find.
SECOND, With respect the Qur'an, I likewise use some of the most respected versions; to wit, I use the Yusufali, Picthal, Shakir, and Mushaf Al-Madinah, An-Nabawiyah, Revised and Edited by The Presidency Of Islamic Researches, IFTA, Call and Guidance, King Fahd Holy Quran Printing Complex, Saudi Arabia, 1992 edition. All contain the full 114 Sura Chapters left in the Qur'an after Caliph Uthman trashed it early on. He destroyed all earlier copies not in agreement with what he wanted.
THIRD, One individual said, "Then If you have 114 chapers, and not the one from King James, look for the one called 'women' and one called 'the cow' And if you dont have these chapter, you dont have the quran," Now, if this individual member of Islam that said this were as knowledgable as I am of the various versions of the Qur'an, she would have well known all these versions contain the Sura chapters of 'AL-BAQARA (THE COW) [[As sura chapter # 2]], and 'AN-NISA (WOMEN) [[As sura chapter # 4]]. But I find the information in 'AAL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN)' [[As sura chapter # 3]], and the six suras of 'AL-KAFIROON (THE DISBELIEVERS, ATHEISTS) [[As sura chapter # 109]] more interesting.
FOURTH, Then this individual says, "Then after you read them you still feel that your title is correct, I wash my hands of you. Because, it just proves you are eather incapible of comprehenion or you should have read it in a language you understand." Completely irrelevant as I read a lot of 'crappola' in my work, but unlike this individual, I well recognize it for exactly what it is.
CONCLUSION:
These individuals do not know their subject and care not for reality, the facts per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (ASV) .
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Your Friend in Christ Iris89
INTRODUCTION:
Members of Islam continue to spread information. It seems to be the only thing they are excellent doing at other than committing violence such as suicide bombings, 9/11, roadside bombs, beheadings, etc. Now of course, this is NOT to say that all of them are into this as this is NOT the case. There are many fine Muslims of course, but their religious leaders do NOT rein in their many 'nut cases.' Of course, Islam is not the only group with this dysfunction, many in Group 2, Christians, [[Group 2 - the false claimants of being followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ involve themselves with war and violence and meddle in politics while falsely claiming to be followers of Christ, the Prince of Peace. The give 'lip' service with respect following to the 'letter' the words and commandments of Christ - the term Sunday Christian aptly fits them. They have their creedal doctrines and/or traditions and assign more importance to these than the Inspired Word of Almighty God (YHWH), the Bible]], are much like many members of Islam. How and why so?
Well it is not what either the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an actually say, but how religious leaders be they priest and/or imams or muftis or what ever teach the people is the interpretation of what is written either in the Bible or the bible knockoff the Qur'an that matters and governs actions. It matters not what the Bible and/or the Bible knockoff really say. People go by what they are taught by their religious leaders. Take the genocide committed by the Roman Catholic Church at the direction of their supreme religious leader, the pope, what mattered was not that the Bible clearly said at Exodus 20:13, "Thou shalt not kill." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), but what their religious leaders told them. Therefore, it is the religion at fault, irregardless of what their particular holy book, be it the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an may say. Neither is so called Christianity or in Islam are most individuals actions really governed in any way by what their particular holy book really says, but they are governed by the interpretation of their religious leaders. Thus, knowing this reality, one would be either just plain stupid and/or dumb to even bother looking at a particular religion's holy book and expect the members would conform to it. Take the Rig Vede and find me for example a Hindu actually conforming to it instead of the interpretation given to it by his religious leaders, like looking for a needle in the haystack per K.S. Lal, India's greatest historian.
Now religious leaders and religions the permit and/or turn their head to wrong doing such as violence bear full responsibility for their inactions. Clearly these religions are false religions and usually worship false god(s) such as the old middle eastern celestial moon god, "Allah."
NOW LET'S LOOK AT SOME SCRIPTURES POSTED OUT OF CONTEXT BY MUSLIMS:
Some Muslims post irrational meanings for scriptures they post out of context. The following is one example:
<<<" I am in line for I have proven that Bible makes people confuse. Take a look at the following:
2 Thessalonians:
Satan, not God, is all-powerful. 2:9
God will cause us to believe lies so that he can d**n our souls to hell. 2:11-12" [source - a Muslim with a problem that does NOT know what reality is]>>>.
Now let's first look at 2 Thessalonians 2:9.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-11, "let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, 4 he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know that which restraineth, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work: only there is one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming; 9 even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie: 12 that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (American Standard Version: ASV).
Now what is the meaning of these scriptures? Let's go to a Bible dictionary for an explanation:
<<<"Treason against God. The "lawlessness" that this composite apostate "man" commits is lawlessness against Jehovah God the Universal Sovereign. This "man" is guilty of treason. He is called "the son of destruction," as was Judas Iscariot, the traitor who betrayed the Lord Jesus Christ and who was instrumental in bringing about his death. He, like Judas, is to be annihilated, sent into extinction forever. This "man" is not "Babylon the Great," who also fights against God, for she is a woman, a harlot. However, since he carries on a religious rebellion against God, he is evidently a part of mystic Babylon.-Joh 17:12; Re 17:3, 5.
"The man of lawlessness" sets himself in opposition to God and is therefore a "satan," which means "resister." And, indeed, his "presence is according to the operation of Satan." (2Th 2:9) In the days of the apostle Paul, there was "mystery," or a religious secret, about the identity of this "man of lawlessness." To this day mystery shrouds his identity in the minds of many persons, because his wickedness is practiced under the guise of godly devotion. (2Th 2:7) By his lying teachings contrary to or superseding, as it were, the law of God, "the man of lawlessness" sets himself up over Jehovah God and other 'gods,' mighty ones of the earth, and also against God's holy ones, true spiritual brothers of Jesus Christ. (Compare 2Pe 2:10-13.) Since he is a hypocrite, a false teacher claiming to be Christian, he "sits down in the temple of The God," that is, what such false teachers claim to be that temple.-2Th 2:4." [source - Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 311 & 656]>>>.
And, Scofield Notes on the Bible says,
<<<" [1] (for that day)
The order of events is:
(1) The working of the mystery of lawlessness under divine restraint
which had already begun in the apostle's time #2Th 2:7
(2) the apostasy of the professing church
#2Th 1:3 Lu 18:8 2Ti 3:1-8." [source - Scofield Notes on the Bible]>>>.
So as can clearly be seen, this scripture is speaking of "the man of lawlessness" a collective group under Satan the Devil in opposition to Almighty God (YHWH) that will come to the forefront just before the culmination of the 'end times.'
Now let's deal with a second scripture this one tried to twist by presenting it out of context.
<<<"1 Timothy:
Stop drinking water. Drink wine for your "stomach's" sake. 5:23
Avoid science, especially that which disagrees with Paul ("science falsely so called"). 6:20" [source - a Muslim with a problem that does NOT know what reality is]>>>.
Now let's first look at 1 Timothy 5:23 in context:
1 Timothy 5:17-25, "Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. 18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. 19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. 20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. 21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality. 22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure. 23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. 24 Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after. 25 Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid." (Authorized King James Bible, AV).
Now what is the meaning of these scriptures? Let's go to a Bible dictionary for an explanation:
<<<" Paul recommended that Timothy take a little wine for the sake of his stomach and his frequent cases of sickness. (1Ti 5:23) That wine has medicinal properties is confirmed by present-day research. Dr. Salvatore P. Lucia, Professor of Medicine, University of California School of Medicine, has stated: "Wine is widely used in the treatment of diseases of the digestive system. . . . The tannin content and the mildly antiseptic properties of wine make it valuable in the treatment of intestinal colic, mucous colitis, spastic constipation, diarrhea and many infectious diseases of the gastrointestinal tract." (Wine as Food and Medicine, 1954, p. 58) Of course, Paul suggested that Timothy "use a little wine," not much wine, and the Bible condemns drunkenness.-Pr 23:20; see DRUNKENNESS.
The Scriptures recognize the psychosomatic principle, though only in relatively recent times have medical researchers in general become aware that there is some connection between pathological conditions in the body and a person's emotional state. Proverbs 17:22 states: "A heart that is joyful does good as a curer, but a spirit that is stricken makes the bones dry." Such emotions as envy, fear, greed, hate, and selfish ambition are injurious, whereas good and sometimes remedial effects are produced through cultivating and displaying love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, and self-control, the fruitage of God's spirit. (Ga 5:22, 23) The Scriptures do not, of course, classify all illness as psychosomatic, nor do they rule out as objectionable all consulting of and treatment by physicians. Paul called the faithful Christian Luke "the beloved physician."-Col 4:14." ." [source - Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 1, p. 632 & 1056]>>>.
And, in Vol. 2 of the same dictionary, it says,
<<<"As indicated by Jesus and reported by the physician Luke, wine had certain medicinal value as an antiseptic and mild disinfectant. (Lu 10:34) The Bible also recommends it as a curative remedy in cases of certain intestinal disturbances. Paul counseled Timothy: "Do not drink water any longer, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent cases of sickness." (1Ti 5:23) This was sound medical advice. As Dr. Salvatore P. Lucia, professor of medicine, University of California School of Medicine, writes: "Wine is the most ancient dietary beverage and the most important medicinal agent in continuous use throughout the history of mankind. . . . Actually, few other substances available to man have been as widely recommended for their curative powers as have wines."-Wine as Food and Medicine, 1954, p. 5; see DISEASES AND TREATMENT." [source - Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 1188]>>>.
So as can readily be seen this individual did NOT know what he was talking about or what was the significance of this scripture.
A REPLY TO A LITTLE MORE RATIONAL MEMBER OF ISLAM - FEMALE:
She said the following:
<<<" There you go again, Iris, claiming to have read something and yet writing something that contridicts something that you read.
Otherwise you would have not titled your article 'teatment of daughters in Islam' You would have called 'the treatment of daughters in America, asia or africa' Because if you had read the Quran, even in english, you got copies with out all the chapters. Count them, your copies should have 114 chapters, none of them written by King James. Then If you have 114 chapers, and not the one from King James, look for the one called 'women' and one called 'the cow' And if you dont have these chapter, you dont have the quran.
Then after you read them you still feel that your title is correct, I wash my hands of you. Because, it just proves you are eather incapible of comprehenion or you should have read it in a language you understand." [source - a little more rational member of Islam writing under a pseudonym]>>>.
Now my answer to this attempt to twist reality is as follows:
FIRST, Some individuals for unknown reasons think that one should believe everything they read, but that is definitely not the case. As an independent researcher I go out and dig out the truth, but this also involves having to wade through a large amount of worthless material such as the Qur'an and the Hadiths. Why even look at such garbage some may ask, and indeed this is a valid question, but some of this garbage does contain a lot of credible history. A good example is the Hadith of Sahih Bukhari which to most in Islam is considered second only to the Qur'an itself.
Let's look at some of the useful items in this most important of Hadiths:
[1] Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
"Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: 'I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).'"[source - Bukhari, vol. 7, #65]
[2] Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
"Narrated Urwa: 'The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).'" [source - Bukhari, vol. 7, #88]
[3] Bukhari vol. 5, #234 says:
"Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age." [source - Bukhari, vol. 5, #234]
Now the translation I use is the most reliable and credible of all. I use the one by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, while at the Islamic University in Medina, Saudi Arabia, translated this Hadith into English, and this Hadith is considered by many in Islam as second only to the Quran. In fact, this translation was signed off by Dr. Amin Amin Al-Masri, Ph.D. Cambridge University. Who is the Advisor and Head of the Sharia Dept., at the College of Sharia and Islamic Studies in Mecca. There is none better. Yet some do not like what I find in this Hadith through my digging and wrongly try to deny what I find.
SECOND, With respect the Qur'an, I likewise use some of the most respected versions; to wit, I use the Yusufali, Picthal, Shakir, and Mushaf Al-Madinah, An-Nabawiyah, Revised and Edited by The Presidency Of Islamic Researches, IFTA, Call and Guidance, King Fahd Holy Quran Printing Complex, Saudi Arabia, 1992 edition. All contain the full 114 Sura Chapters left in the Qur'an after Caliph Uthman trashed it early on. He destroyed all earlier copies not in agreement with what he wanted.
THIRD, One individual said, "Then If you have 114 chapers, and not the one from King James, look for the one called 'women' and one called 'the cow' And if you dont have these chapter, you dont have the quran," Now, if this individual member of Islam that said this were as knowledgable as I am of the various versions of the Qur'an, she would have well known all these versions contain the Sura chapters of 'AL-BAQARA (THE COW) [[As sura chapter # 2]], and 'AN-NISA (WOMEN) [[As sura chapter # 4]]. But I find the information in 'AAL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN)' [[As sura chapter # 3]], and the six suras of 'AL-KAFIROON (THE DISBELIEVERS, ATHEISTS) [[As sura chapter # 109]] more interesting.
FOURTH, Then this individual says, "Then after you read them you still feel that your title is correct, I wash my hands of you. Because, it just proves you are eather incapible of comprehenion or you should have read it in a language you understand." Completely irrelevant as I read a lot of 'crappola' in my work, but unlike this individual, I well recognize it for exactly what it is.
CONCLUSION:
These individuals do not know their subject and care not for reality, the facts per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (ASV) .
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