Post by iris89 on Jan 6, 2009 9:53:42 GMT -5
The Sponsors of Unprovoked Attacks and Criminal Acts Responsible For All That Occurs:
INTRODUCTION:
Many like to place the blame on others for what results from their own willful acts. With Islam this has been the case from at least 711 AD forward. In 711 AD they attacked Spain and through the years overran most of the country, but when they got kicked out finally about seven hundred years after they started their illegal occupation they screamed about all the wonderful things they did for those they subjected; what utter nonsense.
Now the same group after illegally occupying Palestine against its rightful title holders who were so gracious as to allow them to remain in two large parts are crying crocodile tears because when they WRONGFULLY attacked areas belonging to the legitimate title holders; guess what, the legitimate title holders defended themselves. Now it makes one wonder, what these individuals and groups were thinking the legitimate title holders should do when attacked without any provocation?
A LITTLE HISTORY FIRST:
Early history and the unprovoked attack on Spain:
In 711 the Visigothic were ruling in Spain and in no way attacking Islam, yet Islam attacked them without any real provocation. Yes, of course they claimed they had provocation, i.e., they claimed that last Visigoth king, Roderick had seduced the young Florinda, daughter of Julian, Visigothic governor of Ceuta in north Africa an apostate (counterfeit) Christian and they were out to avenge this; but clearly two things stand out, First, it was none of their business, Second, there is no evidence that this ever occurred.
Now Let's look at proof that Islam is NOT a religion of peace from history,
<<" In 711 CE Tariq ibn Ziyad, the governor of Tangiers, landed in Gibraltar with around 10,000 men, mostly Berbers (indigenous North Africans). He had some of Roderick's Visigoth rivals as allies. In the same or following year in the Cadiz province, Roderick's army was decimated and he is thought to have drowned as he fled. The Visigothic survivors fled to the north of Spain, and within a few years, the Muslims had taken over the rest of the Iberian Peninsula bar a few areas in the Asturian Mountains bordering France.
[source - www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/seerah/0075_intro.htm , then click 'Muslim Conquest of Spain' {Note: this is a Muslim site.}].
This was nothing short of stealing what did not belong to them by force.
Recent history of another unprovoked attack, this time on an Israel army camp in Israel:
First, a short item on who had rightful title to the land:
<<"Promised Land held in trust. Even the people Israel, to whom God had given the land for them to enjoy as landowners, were told by Jehovah that they were not actually owners of it but only held it in trust. He said concerning the sale of a family land estate: "So the land should not be sold in perpetuity, because the land is mine. For you are alien residents and settlers from my standpoint." (Le 25:23) God had ousted the Canaanites from the land for their disgusting practices. He warned he would also take away all title from Israel and drive them out of the land if they followed such practices, and when they later did, they were sent into exile. (Le 18:24-30; 25:18, 19; 26:27-33; Jer 52:27) After 70 years of desolation of their land, from 607 to 537 B.C.E., God mercifully reestablished them, but this time under Gentile domination. Eventually, in 70 C.E., the Romans completely destroyed Jerusalem and scattered its people.
Within the nation, tribes were assigned sections of the land or cities inside the boundaries of other tribes. Priests and Levites had cities with pasture grounds. (Jos 15-21) In turn, within the tribes families were allotted inheritances. These divisions became smaller as families subdivided their own allotments because of increase in numbers. This resulted in thorough cultivation and use of the land. Inheritances were not allowed to circulate from one tribe to another. To prevent this, women who inherited land (because there were no living brothers) had to marry within the tribe to hold their inheritance.-Nu 36:1-12.">>[source - Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2]
So as can be seen, the Jews have clear title to all of Palestine and NOT the apostate (counterfeit) Christians Crusaders nor members of Islam. But what do the members of Islam squatters do, they seek to kill Jews dwelling on land to which they have rightful title because they want it for themselves as is usual for Islam. They send suicide bombers in to murder Jews, and send in military rockets to do the same evil thing - now how can anyone in his right mind call Islam a religion of peace. Witness the recent attack on 06/26/2006 on a Jewish military camp where members of Islam murdered two Jewish soldiers who were doing them no wrong and kidnapped a third whose whereabouts is unknown on 06/27/2006; this despite the fact that the Jews are willing to let the Islamic squatters dwell on a large area of their land, and only want peace, i.e., to be left alone and not attacked and murdered.
On 07/05/2006 the world news said, <<" Israeli forces take over belt of northern Gaza, Reuters - 49 minutes ago [07/05/2006]
GAZA - Israeli armored forces took over a belt of the northern Gaza Strip on Thursday, expanding an offensive after militants fired rockets that hit a major city, Palestinian security sources said. Under covering fire from helicopter gunships, tanks moved into an area including the rubble of three of the Jewish settlements evacuated when Israel abandoned the Gaza Strip last summer after 38 years of occupation." [source - Reuters]>>.
Just another unprovoked attack. Why? Because Israel had gone after the squatters for killing three people and kidnapping a fourth, and the government, Hamas, refused to do what was right, return the kidnapped victim and punish and/or turn over the criminals, but unbelievable joined with them and became accessories-after-the-fact.
And other Islamic governments, believe it or not, want Israel to stop trying to get justice and return the kidnapped victim to his parents. Let's look at the proof from the world news, with comments identified [[ comment ]], <<" Sat Jul 8, 11:19 AM ET
[07/08/2006]
TEHRAN (AFP) - The foreign ministers of Arab nations attending a meeting on
Iraq in Iran condemned Israel for its "increasing aggression against the Palestinian people" [[now who is the aggressor when you go over the boarder and kill two individuals and kidnappe a third?]] and attacked the "silence" of the international community. [[They are crying crocodile tears due to the reaction to an unprovoked attack by members of Islam and the natural justified response to same]].
"The Arab foreign ministers participating in today's Tehran meeting expressed their strong condemnation of this continuing and increasing aggression against the Palestinian people [[Agression? All Israel is asking is for the return of their soldier and for rocket attacks to stop when actually they should be asking for much more such as punishment of the criminals whom Hamas has become accessories-after-the-fact with.]]," Arab League Secretary General Amr Mussa said in a statement Saturday.
Arab officials from Bahrain, Egypt, Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and
Syria were gathered in Tehran Saturday for a two-day conference on security in Iraq.
The statement said the officials also "voiced sorrow over international silence, and held United Nations Security Council members responsible for the dangerous violations of international laws and treaties" [[They refuse to accept reality of the fact that it was members of Islam and not the Jews who violated international law and treaties.]].
They also "decided to continue consultions among themselves and other foreign ministers of Arab nations to take necessary steps over the aggressive Israeli policies" [[Aggressive policies, such as responding to a very egregious crime that the government, Hamas, became accessories-after-the-fact to.]].
Israel two weeks ago launched a massive incursion into the Gaza Strip after Palestinian militants from three groups, including Hamas's armed wing, captured an Israeli soldier in a deadly raid on a border outpost.[[Why do not these Arab nations demand that Hamas return the Soldier and punish the egregious criminals, and seek for peace to return to the ares?]]">>[/quote]
WRONGFUL COMMENTS BY A MEMBER OF ISLAM KNOWN BY NICKNAME "SUKIFUL":
First, an exact quote:
If one lights the fuse to a stick of dynamite, they should not be surprised at the explosion that results, so get real. If you make an unprovoked attack on someone, YOU ARE AT FAULT for any thing that results, do you get it?
Now let's face it, we should pursue peace, not war as shown at 1 Peter 3:8-12, "Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: 9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing. 10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: 11 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. 12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil." (Authorized King james Bible; AV). Clearly then, we should pursue peace; however, Islam seeks revenge for what happens to them for what they start which is as absurd as seeking revenge from the manufacturer for the damage done by a stick of dynamite that you willfully lit full well knowing the results.
Second, an exact quote:
Again one must look at the circumstances. If it happens as collateral damages due to an egregious act, then the one committing the egregious act is to blame and no one else. But as can be seen from the above quote, the writer seeks to put the blame on the WRONG persons and/or group rather than to be honest and admit the guilt of his/her group. However, the one or group that caused the wrongful situation that resulted in the unfortunate incident is solely to blame.
Let's look at an example, some evil doer shoots a rocket at an individual or city, and the individual or city defends itself and hits back with heavy military gear and innocent citizens get hurt who is to blame? Simple, the ones responsible for the original egregious situation. Now let's face it the unfortunate situations in Afghanistan and Iraq are both due to an attack by Osama bin Ladin; therefore, he and like minded individuals MUST BE HELD GUILTY FOR ALL THAT RESULTS, so let's be real and put the blame where it rightfully belongs.
Third, an exact quote:
Anyone committing the unprovoked attack is JUST PLAIN WRONG and you well know it, and has NO RIGHT to not expect a defense. They are responsible for all that transpires, and not the one being aggressed against. In other words you go out to make war and trouble, you should bear the total responsibility for all that results.
There are no sides to justice and peace which all should pursue. This person's argument is completely flawed. You are in effect saying that if a criminal kidnaps someone or robs someone the police have no right to bring him to justice which is patently absurd, and completely against the concept of true justice.
Also, no one should target civilians or for that matter anyone else, ALL SHOULD PURSUE PEACE. Hamas has made it clear that they do NOT want peace and tranquility by becoming accessories-after-the-fact with criminals and even contemptuously saying that they want to legitimate the legitimate title holders. Yes, this is the same nonsense as they tried in Spain, but the Spanish were smarter than the Israelis in that they threw the occupiers who had occupied their country entirely out instead of letting them keep some of their ill gotten land, and now they are paying for being kind.
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The Face of Terror and Hate Today
INTRODUCTION:
The face of terror and hate has changed during the centuries. In the middle ages it was the face of apostate (counterfeit) Christianity and consisted of persecution by the Catholic and Orthodox Churches of all whom they disagreed with or did not like such as members of Islam, Jews, and genuine (true) Christians. Their terror and atrocities took many forms such as genocide's, inquisitions, burnings at the stake, etc. In later times their atrocities took on a nationalistic flavor in the form of Nazi Germany who continued their genocide's and atrocities. For a brief period of time, the atrocities of the apostate (counterfeit) Christianity was replaced by those of the Communist.
However, today the face of terror and hate is NOW held by Islam who has taken the place of apostate (counterfeit) Christianity with its members attacks on tranquil people in the form of road side bombs, suicide bombers, use of airplanes to destroy buildings with people in them, kidnappings, hate murders, subway bombings, train bombings, boat rammings, etc.
Let's look at a famous incident that had major ramifications for the destruction of the general tranquility of the world.
THE 9/11 TERROR ATTACK DESIGNED TO KILL WORLD TRANQUILITY AND PEACE:
Let's look at this attack and who was responsible for same through honest apologetic writing of reasonable Muslims as follows, <<"We are so Sorry for 9-11, This September 11 marks the third unforgettable anniversary of the worst mass murder in American history.
After September 11, many in the Muslim world chose denial and hallucination rather than face up to the sad fact that Muslims perpetrated the 9-11 terrorist acts and that we have an enormous problem with extremism and support for terrorism. Many Muslims, including religious leaders, and ?intellectuals? blamed 9-11 on a Jewish conspiracy and went as far as fabricating a tale that 4000 Jews did not show up for work in the World Trade Center on 9-11. Yet others blamed 9-11 on an American right wing conspiracy or the U.S. Government which allegedly wanted an excuse to invade Iraq and ?steal? Iraqi oil.
After numerous admissions of guilt by Bin Laden and numerous corroborating admissions by captured top level Al-Qaida operatives, we wonder, does the Muslim leadership have the dignity and courage to apologize for 9-11? If not 9-11, will we apologize for the murder of school children in Russia? If not Russia, will we apologize for the train bombings in Madrid, Spain? If not Spain, will we apologize for suicide bombings in buses, restaurants and other public places? If not suicide bombings, will we apologize for the barbaric beheadings of human beings? If not beheadings, will we apologize for the rape and murder of thousands of innocent people in Darfour? If not Darfour, will we apologize for the blowing up of two Russian planes by Muslim women? What will we apologize for? What will it take for Muslims to realize that those who commit mass murder in the name of Islam are not just a few fringe elements? What will it take for Muslims to realize that we are facing a crisis that is more deadly than the Aids epidemic? What will it take for Muslims to realize that there is a large evil movement that is turning what was a peaceful religion into a cult?
Will Muslims wake up before it is too late? Or will we continue blaming the Jews and an imaginary Jewish conspiracy? The blaming of all Muslim problems on Jews is a cancer that is destroying Muslim society from within and it must stop. " [source - Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism by Kamal Nawash on September 11, 2004]>>.
ALWAYS MONEY FOR DESTRUCTIVE USE AND WEAPONS, BUT NOT FOR CONSTRUCTIVE PURPOSES:
Some try and excuse these atrocities by saying it is because they do NOT have jobs, but this is no excuse for atrocities against others to destroy their tranquility. One individual said the following, a direct quote, <<" yes, i agree that more muslims dogmatically follow islam much more closely than jews and christians in their religions.
lol, good one! we've already had this discussion. ooooh, my tiny brain cannot comprehend the almighty.
www.migrationint.com.au/news/stockh..._2000-21mn.html
"and that 20 percent of Palestinian GDP is remittances from Palestinians employed in Israel. "
even today, this is still true. why deny such a well documented fact? i got over a thousand hits.">>
But overlooks two major facts:
[1] Lack of jobs is of their own making as they have chosen to spend their money and effort on committing atrocities against others instead of progressive up-building things such as factories and business. Now whose fault is that, but their own, and only results to light the proverbial self defense response by others who react to their attacks and atrocities. In other words, they light the proverbial fuse and reap the proverbial explosion that results as was the case with respect to the 9/11 unthinkable atrocity committed by members of Islam. Then they cry crocodile tears when Afghanistan and Iraq are taken over by coalition forces as a result of their unconscionable acts, i.e., to use an analogy, it is like lighting the fuse of a box of dynamite and being surprised when it explodes. That is just plain stupid as well as being an atrocity against mankind. Why do they love or lust for atrocities and murders instead of peace and love of fellow man?
[2] That if they would work with others instead of committing unthinkable atrocities against others and trying to make hardships for them, all would be better off. Moral objectives and tranquility of the world aside, the world only has a finite Gross World Product to make the lives of all inhabitants better and if a large part of this is squandered on weapons and destruction, it leaves less for all else, and this seems to be a fact that alludes the thinking of many members of Islam that obviously as shown by their actions lust for atrocities and to destroy world tranquility. What is wrong with their thinking ability? Why are they so filled with hate for all others, and maybe even for themselves?
FALSE CLAIMS:
Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, but the atrocities committed by members of Islam against each other and others clearly show their claim is entirely false. Let's look at the facts that this claim is entirely false by way of world news accounts.
<<" LONDON - A British jury Tuesday convicted firebrand Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri of inciting followers to kill non-Muslims in speeches at his London mosque, which has been linked to Sept. 11 plotter Zacarias Moussaoui and "shoe bomber" Richard Reid.
The jury found the one-eyed, hook-handed cleric guilty on 11 of 15 charges against him, including counts of soliciting murder, stirring racial hatred, possessing a terrorist document and possessing threatening or abusive recordings.[source - Associated Press by TARIQ PANJA, on 02/07/2006]">>
Members of Islam kill each other and destroy each other's mosques, <<" Shiite leaders called for calm, but militants attacked Sunni mosques and a gunfight broke out between Shiite militiamen and guards at the offices of a Sunni political party in Basra. About 500 soldiers were sent to Sunni neighborhoods in Baghdad to prevent clashes between the sects, army Capt. Jassim al-Wahash said.
Shiite spiritual leader Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani sent instructions to his followers forbidding attacks on Sunni mosques, especially the major ones in Baghdad. He called for seven days of mourning, his aides said.
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Shiite protesters later set fire to a Sunni shrine containing the seventh century tomb of Talha bin Obeid-Allah, a companion of the Prophet Muhammad, on the outskirts of the southern city, but there was no immediate word on the extent of the damage or any casualties.
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Gunmen in a speeding car shot and killed Sunni cleric Sheik Khalil al-Dulaimi as he was entering the al-Rashidi mosque in eastern Baghdad, the Iraqi army said. A street vendor was killed in another mosque attack[source - USA Today News, Posted 2/22/2006 3:27 AM]">>
[c]More on how members of Islam lust in killing each other, <<" Shiite leaders called for calm, but militants attacked Sunni mosques and a gunfight broke out between Shiite militiamen and guards at the offices of a Sunni political party in Basra. About 500 soldiers were sent to Sunni neighborhoods in Baghdad to prevent clashes between the sects, army Capt. Jassim al-Wahash said.
Shiite spiritual leader Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani sent instructions to his followers forbidding attacks on Sunni mosques, especially the major ones in Baghdad. He called for seven days of mourning, his aides said.
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Shiite protesters later set fire to a Sunni shrine containing the seventh century tomb of Talha bin Obeid-Allah, a companion of the Prophet Muhammad, on the outskirts of the southern city, but there was no immediate word on the extent of the damage or any casualties.
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Gunmen in a speeding car shot and killed Sunni cleric Sheik Khalil al-Dulaimi as he was entering the al-Rashidi mosque in eastern Baghdad, the Iraqi army said. A street vendor was killed in another mosque attack[source - USA Today News, Posted 2/22/2006 3:27 AM]">>
[d] And more on how members of Islam lust in attacking each other, <<" Sunni mosque bombed as Iraqi tanks deploy in Baghdad
AFP - Mon Feb 27, 3:45 PM ET
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi tanks deployed in Baghdad to pacify the city after an eruption of sectarian violence, but the bombing of a Sunni mosque and a mortar attack shattered the relative calm. Four people were killed and 15 wounded in the bomb attack outside a Sunni mosque in eastern Baghdad as the faithful were leaving evening prayers, security officials said. [source - AFP - Mon Feb 27, 3:45 PM ET]">>
[e] And how they lust in killing others and themselves, <<" TEL AVIV, Israel - A Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up outside a fast-food restaurant in a bustling area of Tel Aviv during the Passover holiday Monday, killing eight other people and wounding at least 49 in the deadliest Palestinian attack in more than a year. The Palestinians' new Hamas leaders called the attack a legitimate response to Israeli "aggression." Israel said it held Hamas ultimately responsible ? even though a different militant group, Islamic Jihad, claimed responsibility ? and would respond "as necessary." [source - Associated Press on 4/17/2006]">>, yes, quite sick and shows a really screw loose upstairs thinking, but some members of Islam even are so warped as to call these deranged individuals 'freedom fighters', can you believe.
[f] Islam fights itself, <<" By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Sectarian violence has forced about 100,000 families across
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Iraq to flee their homes, a top Iraqi official said. At least 17 people, including an American soldier, were killed Saturday in fighting.
Adil Abdul-Mahdi, one of the country's two vice presidents, estimated on Friday that 100,000 Iraqi families - 90 percent of them his fellow Shiites - had fled their homes to escape attacks by rival religious sects.[source - Associated Press on 04/29/2006 by Robert H. Reid]">>
[g] Members of Islam commit atrocities against others, <<" By ALFRED de MONTESQUIOU, Associated Press Writer
CAIRO, Egypt - When terrorists blew themselves up in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula this week, the radical Palestinian group Hamas quickly joined Arab governments and Western leaders in condemning a "criminal attack against all human values."
Egypt's banned Muslim Brotherhood called the bombings "aggression on human souls created by God."
The denunciations were unexpectedly harsh from the Islamic fundamentalist groups - Hamas has killed hundreds of Israeli civilians in suicide bombings, and the Brotherhood is determined to impose an Islamic government - but experts agree that radical Muslim organizations want to distance themselves from al-Qaida.
The widening rift largely has not been acknowledged among Western powers, who tend to lump Islamic radicals together. The U.S. list of "Foreign Terrorist Organizations," for example, puts al-Qaida with Hamas and the Lebanese-based Hezbollah.
Scholars of Islamic movements and some Western policy-makers, however, say distinctions now must be made between hard-line Islamist organizations and "holy warrior" groups such as Osama bin Laden's terror network....
The level of organization these attacks" demonstrated several al-Qaida trademarks, Roberts said.
Since November's attacks on a Jordanian hotel that killed more than 60, al-Qaida has increasingly been criticized for killing civilians. And when bin Laden issued an audiotape earlier this month, many observers said his new call to support Palestinians against "Zionists" and "crusaders" was a move to boost declining popularity in the Muslim world.
[source, Associated Press by D de MONTESQUIOU on 04/29/2006]">>
The list of atrocities committed by members of Islam is almost endless, but the above is sufficient to show the who is the modern face of terror and hate. Also, we all know of the London subway bombing, 9/11, and the train bombing in Spain so NO need for world news accounts of those egregious atrocities.
CONCLUSION:
From the foregoing and common knowledge it is easy to see that "The Face of Terror and Hate Today" is being carried him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. by members of Islam as a standard bearer. Islam should consider 1 Peter 3:10-11, "For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: 11 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it." (Authorized King James Bible; AV) and start seeking peace and pursuing it. Their members should consider becoming genuine (true) Christians and practicing love as they do.
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Darn If You Do, Darn If You Do Not - Islam View of Others:
INTRODUCTION:
Unfortunately when any nation and/or group of nations is forced in to the position of playing world policeman they are put into a position of darn if you do, darn if you do not; a real no win position. For their effort, Islam calls whatever they do a provocation; yet Islam fails to assume its own responsibility to do anything about the problems in its own backyard, but wants others to handle the thankless task. Why? They went others to spend their money to handle things they should handle, and so they have a "fall guy" to blame or point fingers at for anything that does not go to their liking and so they can falsely accuse the one playing world policeman at the moment.
To give an example of this fowl play standard operating procedure (SOP)of Islam, one Muslim listed the following imagined wrongs and/or provocations by the US and Europe, some of which NEVER even happened in any way.
They were, <<"Iraqi Sanctions, Shah of Iran, Iran-Contra Scandal.....supplying Saddam with chemical weapons, vetoing sending Peacekeepers to Palestine in the U.N. etc etc etc.....only one of us lives in a fantasy">>.
Now let's look at each of these.
THE REALITY, THE FACTS, ON ALLEGED PROVOCATIONS:
[1] False charge - supplying Saddam with chemical weapons - Which never occurred, but blame was put on the US. The truth is that Saddam Hussein procured the ingredients clandestinely and likewise procured the equipment necessary clandestinely also, and when Europe and the US learned of it they took action against the suppliers, most of which had been duped without knowledge by the Muslim Saddam Hussein. As can be seen, Islam called this a provocation by the US and others when in reality it was a provocation by one of their own which they failed to take action against, yet some of Islam use this as justification to attack others, absolutely absurd!
Even more absurd is that all the nations that are predominately Islamic full well knew that Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons and was using them on Muslim Kurds and sat inactive like three blind monkeys, know no evil, see no evil, hear no evil. To wit, they took no action when they should have as it was in their court, but wanted others to play world cop so they incurred no expense and so they had someone to blame for anything they did not like. How absurd!
[2] Blame of others for taking action due to their failure to do so - Iraqi Sanctions. Europe and the US took up the role of world policeman, since Islam had failed to accept their responsibility and step up to the plate, and imposed sanctions do to Islam's failure to accept its responsibility and put an end to wrong doing by Saddam Hussein. What was Islam's response, they blamed those who stepped up to the plate due to Islam's failure to assume its responsibility; SOP for most Islamic nations. They even had the nerve to call sanctions a provocation so once more darn if you do, darn if you do not.
[3] Blame for assisting a friend trying to modernize his country - Shah of Iran. Yes, the Us and Europe tried to assist the Shaw of Iran, and why not? He was trying to modernize his nation and bestow greater freedom on its citizens, but their efforts failed and a radical regime came into power that stopped the modernization process and removed almost all freedoms and any concept of real justice. Let's look at an actual case taken from the Internet,
Speaks for itself with respect lack of freedom.
Also this regime has committed one provocation after another, some in exigent or salient violation of international law, yet Islam stood by in their SOP and failed to step up to the plate. Let me site one exigent and salient violation of international law and regulations even in the Quran itself which Islam claims to believe. The government, new radical, permitted the take-over of the American assembly and held diplomats and others in the embassy prisoners for over a year and also illegally accessed documents, all in violation of international law. This was NOT only a salient provocation, but an act of war. Now what did Islam do? Nothing constructive, they failed to step up to the plate and do what they should have, rectify the situation, but they tried to criticizes the US, the victim, over it, can you imagine something so absurd?
[4] Blame for attempting to assist the hostages taken in clear violation of international law - Iran-Contra Scandal - which although the method used was a violation of US law was nothing but an honest effort to right a wrong, the illegal taking of hostages at an Embassy in violation of international law. Can you imagine calling this a provocation? Clearly shows Islam imagines things.
[5] Blame for not wanting to foot the bill which Islam should have handled - vetoing sending Peacekeepers to Palestine in the U.N. Now a nation has the absolute right, if it does NOT want to play world policeman when it has no responsibility in a specific situation such as this one; this is especially so when those whose responsibility it really is do NOT want to step up to the plate, namely Islamic nations. Right now, members of Islam in Palestine have committed a grievous wrong against Israel, the Hebrews, their brother tribe from Abraham. What do the Islamic nations want, basically Israel to stop pressing for right and justice, but NOT a single word with respect righting the wrong committed. Let's look at the proof, a world news item with comments on shown as [[ comment ]].
Speaks for itself, Hamas has permitted an act in violation of international law to be committed and then sanctioned it making themselves accessories after the fact in the crime, refuses to release the kidnapped 19 year old Israel soldier or to punish the criminals, which in effect makes this crime under international law and justice a defacto act of war, yet Islamic nations at the two-day conference on security in Iraq "voiced sorrow over international silence, and held United Nations Security Council members responsible for the dangerous violations of international laws and treaties". How absurd when one of their own, NOT Israel is the offender, but true to SOP for Islam, they are trying to say Israel is the malefactor so, if the international community ever stepped in on the side of justice, they would be blamed for making a provocation. This is of course a darn if you do, a darn if you do not no win situation.
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Your Friend in Christ Iris89
INTRODUCTION:
Many like to place the blame on others for what results from their own willful acts. With Islam this has been the case from at least 711 AD forward. In 711 AD they attacked Spain and through the years overran most of the country, but when they got kicked out finally about seven hundred years after they started their illegal occupation they screamed about all the wonderful things they did for those they subjected; what utter nonsense.
Now the same group after illegally occupying Palestine against its rightful title holders who were so gracious as to allow them to remain in two large parts are crying crocodile tears because when they WRONGFULLY attacked areas belonging to the legitimate title holders; guess what, the legitimate title holders defended themselves. Now it makes one wonder, what these individuals and groups were thinking the legitimate title holders should do when attacked without any provocation?
A LITTLE HISTORY FIRST:
Early history and the unprovoked attack on Spain:
In 711 the Visigothic were ruling in Spain and in no way attacking Islam, yet Islam attacked them without any real provocation. Yes, of course they claimed they had provocation, i.e., they claimed that last Visigoth king, Roderick had seduced the young Florinda, daughter of Julian, Visigothic governor of Ceuta in north Africa an apostate (counterfeit) Christian and they were out to avenge this; but clearly two things stand out, First, it was none of their business, Second, there is no evidence that this ever occurred.
Now Let's look at proof that Islam is NOT a religion of peace from history,
<<" In 711 CE Tariq ibn Ziyad, the governor of Tangiers, landed in Gibraltar with around 10,000 men, mostly Berbers (indigenous North Africans). He had some of Roderick's Visigoth rivals as allies. In the same or following year in the Cadiz province, Roderick's army was decimated and he is thought to have drowned as he fled. The Visigothic survivors fled to the north of Spain, and within a few years, the Muslims had taken over the rest of the Iberian Peninsula bar a few areas in the Asturian Mountains bordering France.
[source - www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/seerah/0075_intro.htm , then click 'Muslim Conquest of Spain' {Note: this is a Muslim site.}].
This was nothing short of stealing what did not belong to them by force.
Recent history of another unprovoked attack, this time on an Israel army camp in Israel:
First, a short item on who had rightful title to the land:
<<"Promised Land held in trust. Even the people Israel, to whom God had given the land for them to enjoy as landowners, were told by Jehovah that they were not actually owners of it but only held it in trust. He said concerning the sale of a family land estate: "So the land should not be sold in perpetuity, because the land is mine. For you are alien residents and settlers from my standpoint." (Le 25:23) God had ousted the Canaanites from the land for their disgusting practices. He warned he would also take away all title from Israel and drive them out of the land if they followed such practices, and when they later did, they were sent into exile. (Le 18:24-30; 25:18, 19; 26:27-33; Jer 52:27) After 70 years of desolation of their land, from 607 to 537 B.C.E., God mercifully reestablished them, but this time under Gentile domination. Eventually, in 70 C.E., the Romans completely destroyed Jerusalem and scattered its people.
Within the nation, tribes were assigned sections of the land or cities inside the boundaries of other tribes. Priests and Levites had cities with pasture grounds. (Jos 15-21) In turn, within the tribes families were allotted inheritances. These divisions became smaller as families subdivided their own allotments because of increase in numbers. This resulted in thorough cultivation and use of the land. Inheritances were not allowed to circulate from one tribe to another. To prevent this, women who inherited land (because there were no living brothers) had to marry within the tribe to hold their inheritance.-Nu 36:1-12.">>[source - Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2]
So as can be seen, the Jews have clear title to all of Palestine and NOT the apostate (counterfeit) Christians Crusaders nor members of Islam. But what do the members of Islam squatters do, they seek to kill Jews dwelling on land to which they have rightful title because they want it for themselves as is usual for Islam. They send suicide bombers in to murder Jews, and send in military rockets to do the same evil thing - now how can anyone in his right mind call Islam a religion of peace. Witness the recent attack on 06/26/2006 on a Jewish military camp where members of Islam murdered two Jewish soldiers who were doing them no wrong and kidnapped a third whose whereabouts is unknown on 06/27/2006; this despite the fact that the Jews are willing to let the Islamic squatters dwell on a large area of their land, and only want peace, i.e., to be left alone and not attacked and murdered.
On 07/05/2006 the world news said, <<" Israeli forces take over belt of northern Gaza, Reuters - 49 minutes ago [07/05/2006]
GAZA - Israeli armored forces took over a belt of the northern Gaza Strip on Thursday, expanding an offensive after militants fired rockets that hit a major city, Palestinian security sources said. Under covering fire from helicopter gunships, tanks moved into an area including the rubble of three of the Jewish settlements evacuated when Israel abandoned the Gaza Strip last summer after 38 years of occupation." [source - Reuters]>>.
Just another unprovoked attack. Why? Because Israel had gone after the squatters for killing three people and kidnapping a fourth, and the government, Hamas, refused to do what was right, return the kidnapped victim and punish and/or turn over the criminals, but unbelievable joined with them and became accessories-after-the-fact.
And other Islamic governments, believe it or not, want Israel to stop trying to get justice and return the kidnapped victim to his parents. Let's look at the proof from the world news, with comments identified [[ comment ]], <<" Sat Jul 8, 11:19 AM ET
[07/08/2006]
TEHRAN (AFP) - The foreign ministers of Arab nations attending a meeting on
Iraq in Iran condemned Israel for its "increasing aggression against the Palestinian people" [[now who is the aggressor when you go over the boarder and kill two individuals and kidnappe a third?]] and attacked the "silence" of the international community. [[They are crying crocodile tears due to the reaction to an unprovoked attack by members of Islam and the natural justified response to same]].
"The Arab foreign ministers participating in today's Tehran meeting expressed their strong condemnation of this continuing and increasing aggression against the Palestinian people [[Agression? All Israel is asking is for the return of their soldier and for rocket attacks to stop when actually they should be asking for much more such as punishment of the criminals whom Hamas has become accessories-after-the-fact with.]]," Arab League Secretary General Amr Mussa said in a statement Saturday.
Arab officials from Bahrain, Egypt, Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and
Syria were gathered in Tehran Saturday for a two-day conference on security in Iraq.
The statement said the officials also "voiced sorrow over international silence, and held United Nations Security Council members responsible for the dangerous violations of international laws and treaties" [[They refuse to accept reality of the fact that it was members of Islam and not the Jews who violated international law and treaties.]].
They also "decided to continue consultions among themselves and other foreign ministers of Arab nations to take necessary steps over the aggressive Israeli policies" [[Aggressive policies, such as responding to a very egregious crime that the government, Hamas, became accessories-after-the-fact to.]].
Israel two weeks ago launched a massive incursion into the Gaza Strip after Palestinian militants from three groups, including Hamas's armed wing, captured an Israeli soldier in a deadly raid on a border outpost.[[Why do not these Arab nations demand that Hamas return the Soldier and punish the egregious criminals, and seek for peace to return to the ares?]]">>[/quote]
WRONGFUL COMMENTS BY A MEMBER OF ISLAM KNOWN BY NICKNAME "SUKIFUL":
First, an exact quote:
interesting name for someone whom fails to see. if america was loosing innocent civillians at the same rate as muslims, your stomach for war would be in doubt. suicide bombers take the war too the israelis etc. if suicide bombers killed some us civillians in ny, would that be fair revenge for the civillian deaths in iraq, afgahn, etc?
If one lights the fuse to a stick of dynamite, they should not be surprised at the explosion that results, so get real. If you make an unprovoked attack on someone, YOU ARE AT FAULT for any thing that results, do you get it?
Now let's face it, we should pursue peace, not war as shown at 1 Peter 3:8-12, "Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: 9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing. 10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: 11 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. 12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil." (Authorized King james Bible; AV). Clearly then, we should pursue peace; however, Islam seeks revenge for what happens to them for what they start which is as absurd as seeking revenge from the manufacturer for the damage done by a stick of dynamite that you willfully lit full well knowing the results.
Second, an exact quote:
when an israeli or yank kills an innocent muslim civillian, you deem that ok. for a muslim to reciprocate you start name calling. how many civillians have now died in iraq as a direct result of american ordinance? how many palestinians have died as a result of jewish occupation?
Again one must look at the circumstances. If it happens as collateral damages due to an egregious act, then the one committing the egregious act is to blame and no one else. But as can be seen from the above quote, the writer seeks to put the blame on the WRONG persons and/or group rather than to be honest and admit the guilt of his/her group. However, the one or group that caused the wrongful situation that resulted in the unfortunate incident is solely to blame.
Let's look at an example, some evil doer shoots a rocket at an individual or city, and the individual or city defends itself and hits back with heavy military gear and innocent citizens get hurt who is to blame? Simple, the ones responsible for the original egregious situation. Now let's face it the unfortunate situations in Afghanistan and Iraq are both due to an attack by Osama bin Ladin; therefore, he and like minded individuals MUST BE HELD GUILTY FOR ALL THAT RESULTS, so let's be real and put the blame where it rightfully belongs.
Third, an exact quote:
i do not agree with targeting of civillians by either side, either with sophisticated weapons or suicide bombers. it is wrong, but if one side does it, you must understand so will the other. both are murdering innocents. neither side has the moral high ground. one must also keep in mind that the iraqis and palestinians have been invaded. their civillians have been targeted first.
Anyone committing the unprovoked attack is JUST PLAIN WRONG and you well know it, and has NO RIGHT to not expect a defense. They are responsible for all that transpires, and not the one being aggressed against. In other words you go out to make war and trouble, you should bear the total responsibility for all that results.
There are no sides to justice and peace which all should pursue. This person's argument is completely flawed. You are in effect saying that if a criminal kidnaps someone or robs someone the police have no right to bring him to justice which is patently absurd, and completely against the concept of true justice.
Also, no one should target civilians or for that matter anyone else, ALL SHOULD PURSUE PEACE. Hamas has made it clear that they do NOT want peace and tranquility by becoming accessories-after-the-fact with criminals and even contemptuously saying that they want to legitimate the legitimate title holders. Yes, this is the same nonsense as they tried in Spain, but the Spanish were smarter than the Israelis in that they threw the occupiers who had occupied their country entirely out instead of letting them keep some of their ill gotten land, and now they are paying for being kind.
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The Face of Terror and Hate Today
INTRODUCTION:
The face of terror and hate has changed during the centuries. In the middle ages it was the face of apostate (counterfeit) Christianity and consisted of persecution by the Catholic and Orthodox Churches of all whom they disagreed with or did not like such as members of Islam, Jews, and genuine (true) Christians. Their terror and atrocities took many forms such as genocide's, inquisitions, burnings at the stake, etc. In later times their atrocities took on a nationalistic flavor in the form of Nazi Germany who continued their genocide's and atrocities. For a brief period of time, the atrocities of the apostate (counterfeit) Christianity was replaced by those of the Communist.
However, today the face of terror and hate is NOW held by Islam who has taken the place of apostate (counterfeit) Christianity with its members attacks on tranquil people in the form of road side bombs, suicide bombers, use of airplanes to destroy buildings with people in them, kidnappings, hate murders, subway bombings, train bombings, boat rammings, etc.
Let's look at a famous incident that had major ramifications for the destruction of the general tranquility of the world.
THE 9/11 TERROR ATTACK DESIGNED TO KILL WORLD TRANQUILITY AND PEACE:
Let's look at this attack and who was responsible for same through honest apologetic writing of reasonable Muslims as follows, <<"We are so Sorry for 9-11, This September 11 marks the third unforgettable anniversary of the worst mass murder in American history.
After September 11, many in the Muslim world chose denial and hallucination rather than face up to the sad fact that Muslims perpetrated the 9-11 terrorist acts and that we have an enormous problem with extremism and support for terrorism. Many Muslims, including religious leaders, and ?intellectuals? blamed 9-11 on a Jewish conspiracy and went as far as fabricating a tale that 4000 Jews did not show up for work in the World Trade Center on 9-11. Yet others blamed 9-11 on an American right wing conspiracy or the U.S. Government which allegedly wanted an excuse to invade Iraq and ?steal? Iraqi oil.
After numerous admissions of guilt by Bin Laden and numerous corroborating admissions by captured top level Al-Qaida operatives, we wonder, does the Muslim leadership have the dignity and courage to apologize for 9-11? If not 9-11, will we apologize for the murder of school children in Russia? If not Russia, will we apologize for the train bombings in Madrid, Spain? If not Spain, will we apologize for suicide bombings in buses, restaurants and other public places? If not suicide bombings, will we apologize for the barbaric beheadings of human beings? If not beheadings, will we apologize for the rape and murder of thousands of innocent people in Darfour? If not Darfour, will we apologize for the blowing up of two Russian planes by Muslim women? What will we apologize for? What will it take for Muslims to realize that those who commit mass murder in the name of Islam are not just a few fringe elements? What will it take for Muslims to realize that we are facing a crisis that is more deadly than the Aids epidemic? What will it take for Muslims to realize that there is a large evil movement that is turning what was a peaceful religion into a cult?
Will Muslims wake up before it is too late? Or will we continue blaming the Jews and an imaginary Jewish conspiracy? The blaming of all Muslim problems on Jews is a cancer that is destroying Muslim society from within and it must stop. " [source - Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism by Kamal Nawash on September 11, 2004]>>.
ALWAYS MONEY FOR DESTRUCTIVE USE AND WEAPONS, BUT NOT FOR CONSTRUCTIVE PURPOSES:
Some try and excuse these atrocities by saying it is because they do NOT have jobs, but this is no excuse for atrocities against others to destroy their tranquility. One individual said the following, a direct quote, <<" yes, i agree that more muslims dogmatically follow islam much more closely than jews and christians in their religions.
lol, good one! we've already had this discussion. ooooh, my tiny brain cannot comprehend the almighty.
www.migrationint.com.au/news/stockh..._2000-21mn.html
"and that 20 percent of Palestinian GDP is remittances from Palestinians employed in Israel. "
even today, this is still true. why deny such a well documented fact? i got over a thousand hits.">>
But overlooks two major facts:
[1] Lack of jobs is of their own making as they have chosen to spend their money and effort on committing atrocities against others instead of progressive up-building things such as factories and business. Now whose fault is that, but their own, and only results to light the proverbial self defense response by others who react to their attacks and atrocities. In other words, they light the proverbial fuse and reap the proverbial explosion that results as was the case with respect to the 9/11 unthinkable atrocity committed by members of Islam. Then they cry crocodile tears when Afghanistan and Iraq are taken over by coalition forces as a result of their unconscionable acts, i.e., to use an analogy, it is like lighting the fuse of a box of dynamite and being surprised when it explodes. That is just plain stupid as well as being an atrocity against mankind. Why do they love or lust for atrocities and murders instead of peace and love of fellow man?
[2] That if they would work with others instead of committing unthinkable atrocities against others and trying to make hardships for them, all would be better off. Moral objectives and tranquility of the world aside, the world only has a finite Gross World Product to make the lives of all inhabitants better and if a large part of this is squandered on weapons and destruction, it leaves less for all else, and this seems to be a fact that alludes the thinking of many members of Islam that obviously as shown by their actions lust for atrocities and to destroy world tranquility. What is wrong with their thinking ability? Why are they so filled with hate for all others, and maybe even for themselves?
FALSE CLAIMS:
Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, but the atrocities committed by members of Islam against each other and others clearly show their claim is entirely false. Let's look at the facts that this claim is entirely false by way of world news accounts.
<<" LONDON - A British jury Tuesday convicted firebrand Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri of inciting followers to kill non-Muslims in speeches at his London mosque, which has been linked to Sept. 11 plotter Zacarias Moussaoui and "shoe bomber" Richard Reid.
The jury found the one-eyed, hook-handed cleric guilty on 11 of 15 charges against him, including counts of soliciting murder, stirring racial hatred, possessing a terrorist document and possessing threatening or abusive recordings.[source - Associated Press by TARIQ PANJA, on 02/07/2006]">>
Members of Islam kill each other and destroy each other's mosques, <<" Shiite leaders called for calm, but militants attacked Sunni mosques and a gunfight broke out between Shiite militiamen and guards at the offices of a Sunni political party in Basra. About 500 soldiers were sent to Sunni neighborhoods in Baghdad to prevent clashes between the sects, army Capt. Jassim al-Wahash said.
Shiite spiritual leader Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani sent instructions to his followers forbidding attacks on Sunni mosques, especially the major ones in Baghdad. He called for seven days of mourning, his aides said.
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Shiite protesters later set fire to a Sunni shrine containing the seventh century tomb of Talha bin Obeid-Allah, a companion of the Prophet Muhammad, on the outskirts of the southern city, but there was no immediate word on the extent of the damage or any casualties.
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Gunmen in a speeding car shot and killed Sunni cleric Sheik Khalil al-Dulaimi as he was entering the al-Rashidi mosque in eastern Baghdad, the Iraqi army said. A street vendor was killed in another mosque attack[source - USA Today News, Posted 2/22/2006 3:27 AM]">>
[c]More on how members of Islam lust in killing each other, <<" Shiite leaders called for calm, but militants attacked Sunni mosques and a gunfight broke out between Shiite militiamen and guards at the offices of a Sunni political party in Basra. About 500 soldiers were sent to Sunni neighborhoods in Baghdad to prevent clashes between the sects, army Capt. Jassim al-Wahash said.
Shiite spiritual leader Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani sent instructions to his followers forbidding attacks on Sunni mosques, especially the major ones in Baghdad. He called for seven days of mourning, his aides said.
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Shiite protesters later set fire to a Sunni shrine containing the seventh century tomb of Talha bin Obeid-Allah, a companion of the Prophet Muhammad, on the outskirts of the southern city, but there was no immediate word on the extent of the damage or any casualties.
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Gunmen in a speeding car shot and killed Sunni cleric Sheik Khalil al-Dulaimi as he was entering the al-Rashidi mosque in eastern Baghdad, the Iraqi army said. A street vendor was killed in another mosque attack[source - USA Today News, Posted 2/22/2006 3:27 AM]">>
[d] And more on how members of Islam lust in attacking each other, <<" Sunni mosque bombed as Iraqi tanks deploy in Baghdad
AFP - Mon Feb 27, 3:45 PM ET
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi tanks deployed in Baghdad to pacify the city after an eruption of sectarian violence, but the bombing of a Sunni mosque and a mortar attack shattered the relative calm. Four people were killed and 15 wounded in the bomb attack outside a Sunni mosque in eastern Baghdad as the faithful were leaving evening prayers, security officials said. [source - AFP - Mon Feb 27, 3:45 PM ET]">>
[e] And how they lust in killing others and themselves, <<" TEL AVIV, Israel - A Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up outside a fast-food restaurant in a bustling area of Tel Aviv during the Passover holiday Monday, killing eight other people and wounding at least 49 in the deadliest Palestinian attack in more than a year. The Palestinians' new Hamas leaders called the attack a legitimate response to Israeli "aggression." Israel said it held Hamas ultimately responsible ? even though a different militant group, Islamic Jihad, claimed responsibility ? and would respond "as necessary." [source - Associated Press on 4/17/2006]">>, yes, quite sick and shows a really screw loose upstairs thinking, but some members of Islam even are so warped as to call these deranged individuals 'freedom fighters', can you believe.
[f] Islam fights itself, <<" By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Sectarian violence has forced about 100,000 families across
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Iraq to flee their homes, a top Iraqi official said. At least 17 people, including an American soldier, were killed Saturday in fighting.
Adil Abdul-Mahdi, one of the country's two vice presidents, estimated on Friday that 100,000 Iraqi families - 90 percent of them his fellow Shiites - had fled their homes to escape attacks by rival religious sects.[source - Associated Press on 04/29/2006 by Robert H. Reid]">>
[g] Members of Islam commit atrocities against others, <<" By ALFRED de MONTESQUIOU, Associated Press Writer
CAIRO, Egypt - When terrorists blew themselves up in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula this week, the radical Palestinian group Hamas quickly joined Arab governments and Western leaders in condemning a "criminal attack against all human values."
Egypt's banned Muslim Brotherhood called the bombings "aggression on human souls created by God."
The denunciations were unexpectedly harsh from the Islamic fundamentalist groups - Hamas has killed hundreds of Israeli civilians in suicide bombings, and the Brotherhood is determined to impose an Islamic government - but experts agree that radical Muslim organizations want to distance themselves from al-Qaida.
The widening rift largely has not been acknowledged among Western powers, who tend to lump Islamic radicals together. The U.S. list of "Foreign Terrorist Organizations," for example, puts al-Qaida with Hamas and the Lebanese-based Hezbollah.
Scholars of Islamic movements and some Western policy-makers, however, say distinctions now must be made between hard-line Islamist organizations and "holy warrior" groups such as Osama bin Laden's terror network....
The level of organization these attacks" demonstrated several al-Qaida trademarks, Roberts said.
Since November's attacks on a Jordanian hotel that killed more than 60, al-Qaida has increasingly been criticized for killing civilians. And when bin Laden issued an audiotape earlier this month, many observers said his new call to support Palestinians against "Zionists" and "crusaders" was a move to boost declining popularity in the Muslim world.
[source, Associated Press by D de MONTESQUIOU on 04/29/2006]">>
The list of atrocities committed by members of Islam is almost endless, but the above is sufficient to show the who is the modern face of terror and hate. Also, we all know of the London subway bombing, 9/11, and the train bombing in Spain so NO need for world news accounts of those egregious atrocities.
CONCLUSION:
From the foregoing and common knowledge it is easy to see that "The Face of Terror and Hate Today" is being carried him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. by members of Islam as a standard bearer. Islam should consider 1 Peter 3:10-11, "For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: 11 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it." (Authorized King James Bible; AV) and start seeking peace and pursuing it. Their members should consider becoming genuine (true) Christians and practicing love as they do.
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Darn If You Do, Darn If You Do Not - Islam View of Others:
INTRODUCTION:
Unfortunately when any nation and/or group of nations is forced in to the position of playing world policeman they are put into a position of darn if you do, darn if you do not; a real no win position. For their effort, Islam calls whatever they do a provocation; yet Islam fails to assume its own responsibility to do anything about the problems in its own backyard, but wants others to handle the thankless task. Why? They went others to spend their money to handle things they should handle, and so they have a "fall guy" to blame or point fingers at for anything that does not go to their liking and so they can falsely accuse the one playing world policeman at the moment.
To give an example of this fowl play standard operating procedure (SOP)of Islam, one Muslim listed the following imagined wrongs and/or provocations by the US and Europe, some of which NEVER even happened in any way.
They were, <<"Iraqi Sanctions, Shah of Iran, Iran-Contra Scandal.....supplying Saddam with chemical weapons, vetoing sending Peacekeepers to Palestine in the U.N. etc etc etc.....only one of us lives in a fantasy">>.
Now let's look at each of these.
THE REALITY, THE FACTS, ON ALLEGED PROVOCATIONS:
[1] False charge - supplying Saddam with chemical weapons - Which never occurred, but blame was put on the US. The truth is that Saddam Hussein procured the ingredients clandestinely and likewise procured the equipment necessary clandestinely also, and when Europe and the US learned of it they took action against the suppliers, most of which had been duped without knowledge by the Muslim Saddam Hussein. As can be seen, Islam called this a provocation by the US and others when in reality it was a provocation by one of their own which they failed to take action against, yet some of Islam use this as justification to attack others, absolutely absurd!
Even more absurd is that all the nations that are predominately Islamic full well knew that Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons and was using them on Muslim Kurds and sat inactive like three blind monkeys, know no evil, see no evil, hear no evil. To wit, they took no action when they should have as it was in their court, but wanted others to play world cop so they incurred no expense and so they had someone to blame for anything they did not like. How absurd!
[2] Blame of others for taking action due to their failure to do so - Iraqi Sanctions. Europe and the US took up the role of world policeman, since Islam had failed to accept their responsibility and step up to the plate, and imposed sanctions do to Islam's failure to accept its responsibility and put an end to wrong doing by Saddam Hussein. What was Islam's response, they blamed those who stepped up to the plate due to Islam's failure to assume its responsibility; SOP for most Islamic nations. They even had the nerve to call sanctions a provocation so once more darn if you do, darn if you do not.
[3] Blame for assisting a friend trying to modernize his country - Shah of Iran. Yes, the Us and Europe tried to assist the Shaw of Iran, and why not? He was trying to modernize his nation and bestow greater freedom on its citizens, but their efforts failed and a radical regime came into power that stopped the modernization process and removed almost all freedoms and any concept of real justice. Let's look at an actual case taken from the Internet,
Masjed Soleymaani Hastam -
When I came out of prison I burned the Koran! The hell with their hate religion!"
These are the words of a young girl who called from Iran last night and talked on the air with NITV Satellite TV station located in Los Angeles.
"They killed my friend by inserting a baton into the body until it had reached the liver. God is my witness, these are not some tales, these are the realities of our lives in Iran about what they are doing to us! They won't even let us breathe here. The way they mistreatment us, has caused us to even hate ourselves. Although I was an "A" student, I intentionally failed my exam in retribution-law class of mine in the university because I couldn't agree with it. They whipped us if we didn't do the Islamic praying. They wanted me to respect their flag and I didn't want to because it was Arabic. I told them I'll respect the flag if they would put the word "Khoda" (god's name in Persian) on the flag instead of the "Allah" (the Arabic version of god's name). Thus, they lashed me over 70 times. You won't believe what this regime does to us. I was studying to be a judge but they ruined my life just because I held a flag with a "lion and sun" (Iranian ancient and historical flag) in my hand. After all that torturing and flogging, when they finally released me from prison, I burned the Koran. Although I love to have a child, I am not going to have one because I don't want my baby to be dictated their religion."
Some say, Iranians outside Iran are bunch of cowards and heartless who have their tails between their legs when it comes to defend and echo the voices of their compatriots inside Iran. Others say Iranians outside Iran have become heartless mechanical robots since they been neutered (aghim shodeh) by the regime?s supporters and cohorts outside Iran.
But I don't believe that. I believe most my compatriots are unaware of what really is going on in that country and more and more are becoming aware and active. I know every time more of my compatriots hear the outcries of Iran's sons and daughters within Iran such as this, it further awakens them and their conscience. I know soon my compatriots will rise in an unprecedented unity to liberate their motherland, free 70 million Iranian hostages and crush the tyrants and the anti-Iranian Islamic Regime.
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When I came out of prison I burned the Koran! The hell with their hate religion!"
These are the words of a young girl who called from Iran last night and talked on the air with NITV Satellite TV station located in Los Angeles.
"They killed my friend by inserting a baton into the body until it had reached the liver. God is my witness, these are not some tales, these are the realities of our lives in Iran about what they are doing to us! They won't even let us breathe here. The way they mistreatment us, has caused us to even hate ourselves. Although I was an "A" student, I intentionally failed my exam in retribution-law class of mine in the university because I couldn't agree with it. They whipped us if we didn't do the Islamic praying. They wanted me to respect their flag and I didn't want to because it was Arabic. I told them I'll respect the flag if they would put the word "Khoda" (god's name in Persian) on the flag instead of the "Allah" (the Arabic version of god's name). Thus, they lashed me over 70 times. You won't believe what this regime does to us. I was studying to be a judge but they ruined my life just because I held a flag with a "lion and sun" (Iranian ancient and historical flag) in my hand. After all that torturing and flogging, when they finally released me from prison, I burned the Koran. Although I love to have a child, I am not going to have one because I don't want my baby to be dictated their religion."
Some say, Iranians outside Iran are bunch of cowards and heartless who have their tails between their legs when it comes to defend and echo the voices of their compatriots inside Iran. Others say Iranians outside Iran have become heartless mechanical robots since they been neutered (aghim shodeh) by the regime?s supporters and cohorts outside Iran.
But I don't believe that. I believe most my compatriots are unaware of what really is going on in that country and more and more are becoming aware and active. I know every time more of my compatriots hear the outcries of Iran's sons and daughters within Iran such as this, it further awakens them and their conscience. I know soon my compatriots will rise in an unprecedented unity to liberate their motherland, free 70 million Iranian hostages and crush the tyrants and the anti-Iranian Islamic Regime.
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Speaks for itself with respect lack of freedom.
Also this regime has committed one provocation after another, some in exigent or salient violation of international law, yet Islam stood by in their SOP and failed to step up to the plate. Let me site one exigent and salient violation of international law and regulations even in the Quran itself which Islam claims to believe. The government, new radical, permitted the take-over of the American assembly and held diplomats and others in the embassy prisoners for over a year and also illegally accessed documents, all in violation of international law. This was NOT only a salient provocation, but an act of war. Now what did Islam do? Nothing constructive, they failed to step up to the plate and do what they should have, rectify the situation, but they tried to criticizes the US, the victim, over it, can you imagine something so absurd?
[4] Blame for attempting to assist the hostages taken in clear violation of international law - Iran-Contra Scandal - which although the method used was a violation of US law was nothing but an honest effort to right a wrong, the illegal taking of hostages at an Embassy in violation of international law. Can you imagine calling this a provocation? Clearly shows Islam imagines things.
[5] Blame for not wanting to foot the bill which Islam should have handled - vetoing sending Peacekeepers to Palestine in the U.N. Now a nation has the absolute right, if it does NOT want to play world policeman when it has no responsibility in a specific situation such as this one; this is especially so when those whose responsibility it really is do NOT want to step up to the plate, namely Islamic nations. Right now, members of Islam in Palestine have committed a grievous wrong against Israel, the Hebrews, their brother tribe from Abraham. What do the Islamic nations want, basically Israel to stop pressing for right and justice, but NOT a single word with respect righting the wrong committed. Let's look at the proof, a world news item with comments on shown as [[ comment ]].
] Sat Jul 8, 11:19 AM ET
[07/08/2006]
TEHRAN (AFP) - The foreign ministers of Arab nations attending a meeting on
Iraq in Iran condemned Israel for its "increasing aggression against the Palestinian people" [[now who is the aggressor when you go over the boarder and kill two individuals and kidnappe a third?]] and attacked the "silence" of the international community. [[They are crying crocodile tears due to the reaction to an unprovoked attack by members of Islam and the natural justified response to same]].
"The Arab foreign ministers participating in today's Tehran meeting expressed their strong condemnation of this continuing and increasing aggression against the Palestinian people [[Agression? All Israel is asking is for the return of their soldier and for rocket attacks to stop when actually they should be asking for much more such as punishment of the criminals whom Hamas has become accessories-after-the-fact with.]]," Arab League Secretary General Amr Mussa said in a statement Saturday.
Arab officials from Bahrain, Egypt, Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and
Syria were gathered in Tehran Saturday for a two-day conference on security in Iraq.
The statement said the officials also "voiced sorrow over international silence, and held United Nations Security Council members responsible for the dangerous violations of international laws and treaties" [[They refuse to accept reality of the fact that it was members of Islam and not the Jews who violated international law and treaties.]].
They also "decided to continue consultions among themselves and other foreign ministers of Arab nations to take necessary steps over the aggressive Israeli policies" [[Aggressive policies, such as responding to a very egregious crime that the government, Hamas, became accessories-after-the-fact to.]].
Israel two weeks ago launched a massive incursion into the Gaza Strip after Palestinian militants from three groups, including Hamas's armed wing, captured an Israeli soldier in a deadly raid on a border outpost.[[Why do not these Arab nations demand that Hamas return the Soldier and punish the egregious criminals, and seek for peace to return to the ares?]]
[07/08/2006]
TEHRAN (AFP) - The foreign ministers of Arab nations attending a meeting on
Iraq in Iran condemned Israel for its "increasing aggression against the Palestinian people" [[now who is the aggressor when you go over the boarder and kill two individuals and kidnappe a third?]] and attacked the "silence" of the international community. [[They are crying crocodile tears due to the reaction to an unprovoked attack by members of Islam and the natural justified response to same]].
"The Arab foreign ministers participating in today's Tehran meeting expressed their strong condemnation of this continuing and increasing aggression against the Palestinian people [[Agression? All Israel is asking is for the return of their soldier and for rocket attacks to stop when actually they should be asking for much more such as punishment of the criminals whom Hamas has become accessories-after-the-fact with.]]," Arab League Secretary General Amr Mussa said in a statement Saturday.
Arab officials from Bahrain, Egypt, Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and
Syria were gathered in Tehran Saturday for a two-day conference on security in Iraq.
The statement said the officials also "voiced sorrow over international silence, and held United Nations Security Council members responsible for the dangerous violations of international laws and treaties" [[They refuse to accept reality of the fact that it was members of Islam and not the Jews who violated international law and treaties.]].
They also "decided to continue consultions among themselves and other foreign ministers of Arab nations to take necessary steps over the aggressive Israeli policies" [[Aggressive policies, such as responding to a very egregious crime that the government, Hamas, became accessories-after-the-fact to.]].
Israel two weeks ago launched a massive incursion into the Gaza Strip after Palestinian militants from three groups, including Hamas's armed wing, captured an Israeli soldier in a deadly raid on a border outpost.[[Why do not these Arab nations demand that Hamas return the Soldier and punish the egregious criminals, and seek for peace to return to the ares?]]
Speaks for itself, Hamas has permitted an act in violation of international law to be committed and then sanctioned it making themselves accessories after the fact in the crime, refuses to release the kidnapped 19 year old Israel soldier or to punish the criminals, which in effect makes this crime under international law and justice a defacto act of war, yet Islamic nations at the two-day conference on security in Iraq "voiced sorrow over international silence, and held United Nations Security Council members responsible for the dangerous violations of international laws and treaties". How absurd when one of their own, NOT Israel is the offender, but true to SOP for Islam, they are trying to say Israel is the malefactor so, if the international community ever stepped in on the side of justice, they would be blamed for making a provocation. This is of course a darn if you do, a darn if you do not no win situation.
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