Post by iris89 on Jul 11, 2009 12:06:19 GMT -5
Discourse on Isaiah 9:7
"Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." (Isaiah 9:7 AV)
Isaiah 9:7 is a prophecy of what we pray for in the prayer given by Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) at "9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." (Matthew 6:9-15 AV) It shows that God Almighty (YHWH) has purposed to have his righteousness done on earth as it is in Heaven at his own due time and to have his son, by Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), rule it. This will happen at the end-times, and even God's son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), does not know when this will happen, but only his Father (YHWH), " But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Matthew 24:36 AV). This clearly shows a superior, the Father (YHWH), who has control of everything, and a lessor or subordinate, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), who does his Father (YHWH) will. In fact, this arrangement is clearly defined as to order, " But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (1 Corinthians 11:3 AV). The Bible clearly shows that the superior, Almighty God (YHWH) will subject all things onto his son, (Jeshua or YHWH saves), until he gets them into order for him (YHWH) and then the son, (Jeshua or YHWH saves), will subject himself to him, " And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15:28 AV). The son, (Jeshua or YHWH saves), is clearly shown as subordinate and only being able to do what his Father (YHWH) permits, " Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19 AV).
The son's rule is pictured as ruling over a perpetual kingdom where his perpetual princely rule shall increase and be unlimited at " And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever." (Daniel 2:44 AV), and this is just another prophecy about the fulfillment of the Lord's prayer previously given. He will figuratively sit on the throne of David " Therefore now, LORD God of Israel, keep with thy servant David my father that thou promisedst him, saying, There shall not fail thee a man in my sight to sit on the throne of Israel; so that thy children take heed to their way, that they walk before me as thou hast walked before me." (1 Kings 8:25 AV) to fulfill the promise God (YHWH) had made to David about the Messiah, " The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne." (Psalms 132:11 AV), the Lord (a title and not a name) here being Almighty God (YHWH) as Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) had not yet entered the scene. "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession." (Psalms 2:6-8 AV), clearly shows God's (YHWH's) intent to put his son, (Jeshua or YHWH saves), whom he had begotten, on the figurative throne of David as part of "thine inheritance" with respect "the utter most parts of the earth." "At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart. 18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers." (Jeremiah 3:17-18 AV), here it clearly shows that God (YHWH) was applying the throne of David not just to the nation of Israel (Judah), but to the entire earth. God (YHWH) then reiterates his intent, "And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. 24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it. 25 And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods. 26 And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing.," (Ezekiel 34:23-26 AV), here God Almighty is likening his son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) to the ancient King David who was a shepherd, "And I will set up one shepherd over them" "and I the LORD [YHWH] will be their God, and my servant David a prince [Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves)] among them." "Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions: 17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. 18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these? 19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. 20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. 21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: 22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:" (Ezekiel 37:16-22 AV) clearly shows the Lord GOD (YHWH) since Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) had not yet entered the scene and proved his faithfulness to his Father, YHWH, and that he would put the "children of Israel" under a king who would be "one king shall be a king to them all" [all here means everyone obedient to him, otherwise the Lord's prayer would not be valid]. This is made very sure and clear in the New Testament, "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end." Luke 1:32-33 AV), here God the Almighty (YHWH) speaks of his Son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), and says he, the Lord (JHWH) shall give it to him, his Son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), clearly showing once more a superior, Almighty God (YHWH), giving something to a lessor or subordinate, his son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves). This relationship is once more reinforced at " Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;" (Acts 2:30 AV), clearly shows once more a superior, God (YHWH) stating under "sworn with an oath" to give Christ, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), a lessor or subordinate the figurative throne of David.
This will not be a kingdom of mere might, and triumph of force over its enemies, but of righteousness and justice attainable only in and by the Messiah, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), and this is made clear " The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable." (Isaiah 42:21 AV), "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Psalms 45:6-7 AV). With respect 'zeal' this includes not only Christ's, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), hidden spiritual victory over the Devil during his first coming, but the principle one that will be accompanied with the 'judgments' on the Antichrist and all other enemies at his second coming, " For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke." (Isaiah 59:17 AV), "O thou enemy, destructions are come to a perpetual end: and thou hast destroyed cities; their memorial is perished with them. 7 But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment. 8 And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness." (Psalms 9:6-8 AV).
Last, but not least, Note, also, that this son did not exist at the time the prophet was giving the message for the future tense is talked about. Note, also, that this son is talked about as having to be conceived and born in order to exist. Note that this special son is not talked about as already existing and taking on a new form as The Trinitarian Doctrine would require it. In fact, how can a son be co-equal and co-existent with his father? The Doctrine of The Trinity defies the universally accepted and historically always held meaning of the words for father and son. Not only does it defy the meaning of these words, it destroys their meaning! This fact is important to realize for God gave us language. It was not invented by man as the evolutionist tries to say. Thus, we are not destroying man made terms, but God-given terms! These terms, as given to us by God, require that the father exists before the son, and for the son to be brought into existence by the father. This universally accepted and recognized definition is what these terms have meant from the beginning of this creation. Therefore, who has given anyone the authority to change these God-given terms now? In fact, The Lord Jesus Christ verifies the meaning of these terms when he says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him." (John 13:16 AV) "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." (John 14:28 AV).
To learn more, check out the following:
[1] religioustruths.proboards59.com/ An Educational Referral Forum
[2] www.network54.com/Forum/403209 A Forum Devoted to Exposing The False Religion of Islam
[3] jude3.proboards92.com/ A Free-Speech Forum For All
[4] www.freewebs.com/iris_the_preacher My web site.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
"Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." (Isaiah 9:7 AV)
Isaiah 9:7 is a prophecy of what we pray for in the prayer given by Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) at "9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." (Matthew 6:9-15 AV) It shows that God Almighty (YHWH) has purposed to have his righteousness done on earth as it is in Heaven at his own due time and to have his son, by Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), rule it. This will happen at the end-times, and even God's son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), does not know when this will happen, but only his Father (YHWH), " But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Matthew 24:36 AV). This clearly shows a superior, the Father (YHWH), who has control of everything, and a lessor or subordinate, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), who does his Father (YHWH) will. In fact, this arrangement is clearly defined as to order, " But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (1 Corinthians 11:3 AV). The Bible clearly shows that the superior, Almighty God (YHWH) will subject all things onto his son, (Jeshua or YHWH saves), until he gets them into order for him (YHWH) and then the son, (Jeshua or YHWH saves), will subject himself to him, " And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15:28 AV). The son, (Jeshua or YHWH saves), is clearly shown as subordinate and only being able to do what his Father (YHWH) permits, " Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19 AV).
The son's rule is pictured as ruling over a perpetual kingdom where his perpetual princely rule shall increase and be unlimited at " And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever." (Daniel 2:44 AV), and this is just another prophecy about the fulfillment of the Lord's prayer previously given. He will figuratively sit on the throne of David " Therefore now, LORD God of Israel, keep with thy servant David my father that thou promisedst him, saying, There shall not fail thee a man in my sight to sit on the throne of Israel; so that thy children take heed to their way, that they walk before me as thou hast walked before me." (1 Kings 8:25 AV) to fulfill the promise God (YHWH) had made to David about the Messiah, " The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne." (Psalms 132:11 AV), the Lord (a title and not a name) here being Almighty God (YHWH) as Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) had not yet entered the scene. "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession." (Psalms 2:6-8 AV), clearly shows God's (YHWH's) intent to put his son, (Jeshua or YHWH saves), whom he had begotten, on the figurative throne of David as part of "thine inheritance" with respect "the utter most parts of the earth." "At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart. 18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers." (Jeremiah 3:17-18 AV), here it clearly shows that God (YHWH) was applying the throne of David not just to the nation of Israel (Judah), but to the entire earth. God (YHWH) then reiterates his intent, "And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. 24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it. 25 And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods. 26 And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing.," (Ezekiel 34:23-26 AV), here God Almighty is likening his son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) to the ancient King David who was a shepherd, "And I will set up one shepherd over them" "and I the LORD [YHWH] will be their God, and my servant David a prince [Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves)] among them." "Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions: 17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. 18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these? 19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. 20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. 21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: 22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:" (Ezekiel 37:16-22 AV) clearly shows the Lord GOD (YHWH) since Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) had not yet entered the scene and proved his faithfulness to his Father, YHWH, and that he would put the "children of Israel" under a king who would be "one king shall be a king to them all" [all here means everyone obedient to him, otherwise the Lord's prayer would not be valid]. This is made very sure and clear in the New Testament, "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end." Luke 1:32-33 AV), here God the Almighty (YHWH) speaks of his Son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), and says he, the Lord (JHWH) shall give it to him, his Son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), clearly showing once more a superior, Almighty God (YHWH), giving something to a lessor or subordinate, his son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves). This relationship is once more reinforced at " Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;" (Acts 2:30 AV), clearly shows once more a superior, God (YHWH) stating under "sworn with an oath" to give Christ, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), a lessor or subordinate the figurative throne of David.
This will not be a kingdom of mere might, and triumph of force over its enemies, but of righteousness and justice attainable only in and by the Messiah, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), and this is made clear " The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable." (Isaiah 42:21 AV), "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Psalms 45:6-7 AV). With respect 'zeal' this includes not only Christ's, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), hidden spiritual victory over the Devil during his first coming, but the principle one that will be accompanied with the 'judgments' on the Antichrist and all other enemies at his second coming, " For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke." (Isaiah 59:17 AV), "O thou enemy, destructions are come to a perpetual end: and thou hast destroyed cities; their memorial is perished with them. 7 But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment. 8 And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness." (Psalms 9:6-8 AV).
Last, but not least, Note, also, that this son did not exist at the time the prophet was giving the message for the future tense is talked about. Note, also, that this son is talked about as having to be conceived and born in order to exist. Note that this special son is not talked about as already existing and taking on a new form as The Trinitarian Doctrine would require it. In fact, how can a son be co-equal and co-existent with his father? The Doctrine of The Trinity defies the universally accepted and historically always held meaning of the words for father and son. Not only does it defy the meaning of these words, it destroys their meaning! This fact is important to realize for God gave us language. It was not invented by man as the evolutionist tries to say. Thus, we are not destroying man made terms, but God-given terms! These terms, as given to us by God, require that the father exists before the son, and for the son to be brought into existence by the father. This universally accepted and recognized definition is what these terms have meant from the beginning of this creation. Therefore, who has given anyone the authority to change these God-given terms now? In fact, The Lord Jesus Christ verifies the meaning of these terms when he says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him." (John 13:16 AV) "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." (John 14:28 AV).
To learn more, check out the following:
[1] religioustruths.proboards59.com/ An Educational Referral Forum
[2] www.network54.com/Forum/403209 A Forum Devoted to Exposing The False Religion of Islam
[3] jude3.proboards92.com/ A Free-Speech Forum For All
[4] www.freewebs.com/iris_the_preacher My web site.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89