Post by iris89 on Jul 11, 2009 12:11:34 GMT -5
A Discourse on Isaiah 9:6, with additional information:
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6 ASV-American Standard Version)
"parvulus enim natus est nobis filius datus est nobis et factus est principatus super umerum eius et vocabitur nomen eius Admirabilis consiliarius Deus fortis Pater futuri saeculi Princeps pacis" (Isaiah 9:6 Latin Vulgate)
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6 AV)
Built around, "Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible" by Fausset B. Jamieson with scriptures given in sets for many different Bible translations to avoid the bias of any one:
1)Isaiah 9:6. For--the ground of these great expectations, unto us--for the benefit of the Jews first, and then the Gentiles (compare "unto you," "for there is born to you this day in the city of David a Saviour, who is Christ the Lord." ( Luke 2:11 ASV) son . . . given-"I will tell of the decree: Jehovah said unto me, Thou art my son; This day have I begotten thee." (Psalms 2:7 ASV). God's gratuitous gift, on which man had no claim, "" For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16 AV) and " For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23 AV). [[You will note that Jehovah (YHWH) called his his son, "Thou art my son" that he have because he so loved the world]]
2)Government . . . upon . . . shoulder--The ensign of office used to be worn on the shoulder, in token of sustaining the government "I will give him the key to the house of David - the highest position in the royal court. He will open doors, and no one will be able to shut them; he will close doors, and no one will be able to open them." (Isaiah 22:22 New Living Translation). Here the government on Messiah's shoulder is in marked antithesis to the "yoke and staff" of the oppressor on Israel's "shoulder" "For God will break the chains that bind his people and the whip that scourges them, just as he did when he destroyed the army of Midian with Gideon's little band." (Isaiah 9:4 New Living Translation). He shall receive the kingdom of the earth from the Father, to vindicate it from the misrule of those to whom it was entrusted to hold it for and under the Most High, but who sought to hold it in defiance of His right; the Father asserts His right by the Son, the "Heir of all things," who will hold it for Him ""I saw in the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. [[Notice God (YHWH) figuratively gave him "the key to the house of David" and that he, Jesus (Jeshua) would "receive the kingdom of the earth from his Father (YHWH), so they were obviously two distinct entities with the superior, YHWH, giving things to the lessor, his son, Jesus (Jeshua)]]
3)And there was given Him dominion and glory and a Kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His Kingdom that which shall not be destroyed" (Daniel 7:13,14 Third Millennium Bible). name . . . called--His essential characteristics shall be. "And the angel of the LORD said unto him, "Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?" (Judges 13:18 Third Millennium Bible), "Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: 'He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in [the] world, was received up in glory.'" (1 Timothy 3:16 NWT). [[note, here again they are shown to be two distinct entities with the superior, YHWH, giving things to the lessor, his son, Jesus (Jeshua)]]
4)Counsellor-- "I shall bless Jehovah, who has given me advice. Really, during the nights my kidneys have corrected me." (Psalms 16:7 NWT), "Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and the knowledge of God! How unsearchable His judgments and untraceable His ways!" (Romans 11:33-34 The Holman Christian Standard Bible), "Yet to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is God's power and God's wisdom, " (1 Corinthians 1:24 The Holman Christian Standard Bible), "In him lie hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." (Colossians 2:3 The New Living Translation).
5)A mighty God-" A remnant of them will return to the Mighty God." (Isaiah 10:21 The New Living Translation), "Who is the King of glory? The LORD, strong and mighty, the LORD, mighty in battle!" ( Psalms 24:8 Revised Standard Version), "awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," (Titus 2:13 Revised Standard Version). HORSLEY translates: "God the mighty man." "Unto us . . . God" is equivalent to "Immanuel" "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold, an almah shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanu'el." (Isaiah 7:14 Hebrew Names Version). [[Note, here it brings out the lessor one, Jesus (Jeshua), is given by the superior one, God Almighty (WHYH) as a sign, see Isaiah 7:14 above]]
6)Everlasting Father--This marks Him as "Wonderful," that He is "a child," yet the "everlasting Father" "Yeshua said to him, "Have I been with you such a long time, and do you not know me, Pilipos? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How do you say, 'Show us the Father?'" (John 14:9 Hebrew Names Version). Earthly kings leave their people after a short reign; He will reign over and bless them for ever [HENGSTENBERG]. "The sceptre shall not be taken away from Juda, nor a ruler from his thigh, till he come that is to be sent, and he shall be the expectation of nations." (Genesis 49:10 Douay-Rheims Bible) (Shiloh, "The Tranquillizer"). Finally "And in that day I will make a covenant with them, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of the air, and with the creeping things of the earth: and I will destroy the bow, and the sword, and war out of the land: and I will make them sleep secure." (Hosea 2:18 Douay-RheimsBible). Even already He is "our peace" "Glory to God in the highest, and on the earth peace among men with whom he is well pleased." (Luke 2:14 The Bible in Basic English), "For he is our peace, who has made the two into one, and by whom the middle wall of division has been broken down," (Ephesians 2:14 The Bible in Basic English). [[Here Jesus (Jeshua), the lessor one, lets it be known that he is the glory of his Father, the superior one (YHWH)]]
Additional Information:
17 (Philippians 2:5-8 AV). He was referred to in prophecy in the Old Testament as a Mighty God, but not as the Almighty God (YHWH), which clearly shows he was a very powerful spirit creature second in power and glory only to his Father " For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6 AV). When the proper time arrived, he was sent by his Father, ), Almighty God (YHWH), to earth " But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law," (Galatians 4:4 AV), "And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:30-35 AV).
Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) is clearly the son of Almighty God (YHWH). With respect to his Father, Almighty God (YHWH) the scriptures clearly show he always existed " Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." (Psalms 90:2 AV); whereas, with Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) the scriptures clearly show "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" (Colossians 1:14-15 AV), and likewise call him "" For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6 AV). Notice, he is NOT called Almighty God, but mighty God; quite different from his Father. Furthermore, he is called, "The everlasting Father," I want you to notice how it says that this Son will be called "Everlasting Father". But wait, notice it says "Son" will be "called". How is one to understand that a "Son" will be called a "Father"? We see many people do not understand this scripture, and "think" they do understand." " Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?" (Matthew 26:53 AV), Now we understand that there has to be someone else in order for this to be true. " And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are." (John 17:11 AV), obviously, you do not have to be a scientist to know there is two beings involved here. " As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me." (John 6:57 AV), here also, it is so obvious that two entities are being spoken about a 4 th. Grader would see it.
Now we understand that The Son is not The Father. So why does it say in Isaiah 9:6 that The Son will be called "Everlasting Father"? Let's look at some scripture, John 17:22-26 AV, "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them." " Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." (John 14:10 AV); The Father dwells in the Son, so now we know why The Son is "called" Everlasting Father, because the Everlasting Father is in the Son. So the understanding is: If I come to to The Son and say to him "Father", he will reply, Yes, Son?". But why is he called the mighty God? The Father is the Almighty God, so if I come to to The Son and say to him "mighty God", he will reply, "Yes, what can I do for you?". This is because the Almighty God (YHWH) dwells in The Son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves). To sumarize, I will provide some scripture for a further understanding, " Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily." (Colossians 1:12-29 AV), " And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." (1 John 5:20 AV), and this is one of my favorite scriptures that explains that The True God is in The Son, and we are in The True God who is in The Son, try reading the scriptures above where the Father is in The Son and we in The Father and we in The Son. So now the understanding is clear that the Son is not the Almighty God (YHWH), and the Son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), is not the Everlasting Father. Let the truth be known, " Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" (Deuteronomy 6:4 AV), this is Unsullied Monotheism That Does Not Support Unity For Another.
For additional proof/evidence the Trinity is false dogma, see Post, "Discourse on John 1:1" and the three letters of Bro. Scaramastro on the same thread, "Discourse on Isaiah 9:6," "Discourse on Isaiah 9:7," "Discourse on 1 Timothy 3:16," "The Trinity is False Doctrine - Revised," etc. on this BB. Also go to the resources mentioned in these writings and especially to the following Links:
philologos.org/__eb-ttb/default.htm (The Two Babylons, by Rev. Alexander Hilsop)
reslight.addr.com/greatdebate.html (The Great Debate Regarding The Father, Son & Holy Spirit; An exhaustive verse-by-verse, side-by-side; by Roger Wagner)
www.heraldmag.org/olb/bsl/Library/Doctrine/Trinity/Debate/TGD1.pdf (book on great trinitarian/arius debate on line)
www.christianeducational.org/faq/v1i3.pdf
www.antipas.org/magazine/editor/trinity/letter1.html (against Trinity clearly shows father and son different)
www.tellway-publishing.com ("Jesus-God or the Son of God?" by Brian Holt - one of the best)
members.aol.com/hector3001/christology.htm
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[2] www.network54.com/Forum/403209 A Forum Devoted to Exposing The False Religion of Islam
[3] jude3.proboards92.com/ A Free-Speech Forum For All
[4] www.freewebs.com/iris_the_preacher My web site.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6 ASV-American Standard Version)
"parvulus enim natus est nobis filius datus est nobis et factus est principatus super umerum eius et vocabitur nomen eius Admirabilis consiliarius Deus fortis Pater futuri saeculi Princeps pacis" (Isaiah 9:6 Latin Vulgate)
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6 AV)
Built around, "Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible" by Fausset B. Jamieson with scriptures given in sets for many different Bible translations to avoid the bias of any one:
1)Isaiah 9:6. For--the ground of these great expectations, unto us--for the benefit of the Jews first, and then the Gentiles (compare "unto you," "for there is born to you this day in the city of David a Saviour, who is Christ the Lord." ( Luke 2:11 ASV) son . . . given-"I will tell of the decree: Jehovah said unto me, Thou art my son; This day have I begotten thee." (Psalms 2:7 ASV). God's gratuitous gift, on which man had no claim, "" For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16 AV) and " For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23 AV). [[You will note that Jehovah (YHWH) called his his son, "Thou art my son" that he have because he so loved the world]]
2)Government . . . upon . . . shoulder--The ensign of office used to be worn on the shoulder, in token of sustaining the government "I will give him the key to the house of David - the highest position in the royal court. He will open doors, and no one will be able to shut them; he will close doors, and no one will be able to open them." (Isaiah 22:22 New Living Translation). Here the government on Messiah's shoulder is in marked antithesis to the "yoke and staff" of the oppressor on Israel's "shoulder" "For God will break the chains that bind his people and the whip that scourges them, just as he did when he destroyed the army of Midian with Gideon's little band." (Isaiah 9:4 New Living Translation). He shall receive the kingdom of the earth from the Father, to vindicate it from the misrule of those to whom it was entrusted to hold it for and under the Most High, but who sought to hold it in defiance of His right; the Father asserts His right by the Son, the "Heir of all things," who will hold it for Him ""I saw in the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. [[Notice God (YHWH) figuratively gave him "the key to the house of David" and that he, Jesus (Jeshua) would "receive the kingdom of the earth from his Father (YHWH), so they were obviously two distinct entities with the superior, YHWH, giving things to the lessor, his son, Jesus (Jeshua)]]
3)And there was given Him dominion and glory and a Kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His Kingdom that which shall not be destroyed" (Daniel 7:13,14 Third Millennium Bible). name . . . called--His essential characteristics shall be. "And the angel of the LORD said unto him, "Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?" (Judges 13:18 Third Millennium Bible), "Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: 'He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in [the] world, was received up in glory.'" (1 Timothy 3:16 NWT). [[note, here again they are shown to be two distinct entities with the superior, YHWH, giving things to the lessor, his son, Jesus (Jeshua)]]
4)Counsellor-- "I shall bless Jehovah, who has given me advice. Really, during the nights my kidneys have corrected me." (Psalms 16:7 NWT), "Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and the knowledge of God! How unsearchable His judgments and untraceable His ways!" (Romans 11:33-34 The Holman Christian Standard Bible), "Yet to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is God's power and God's wisdom, " (1 Corinthians 1:24 The Holman Christian Standard Bible), "In him lie hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." (Colossians 2:3 The New Living Translation).
5)A mighty God-" A remnant of them will return to the Mighty God." (Isaiah 10:21 The New Living Translation), "Who is the King of glory? The LORD, strong and mighty, the LORD, mighty in battle!" ( Psalms 24:8 Revised Standard Version), "awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," (Titus 2:13 Revised Standard Version). HORSLEY translates: "God the mighty man." "Unto us . . . God" is equivalent to "Immanuel" "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold, an almah shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanu'el." (Isaiah 7:14 Hebrew Names Version). [[Note, here it brings out the lessor one, Jesus (Jeshua), is given by the superior one, God Almighty (WHYH) as a sign, see Isaiah 7:14 above]]
6)Everlasting Father--This marks Him as "Wonderful," that He is "a child," yet the "everlasting Father" "Yeshua said to him, "Have I been with you such a long time, and do you not know me, Pilipos? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How do you say, 'Show us the Father?'" (John 14:9 Hebrew Names Version). Earthly kings leave their people after a short reign; He will reign over and bless them for ever [HENGSTENBERG]. "The sceptre shall not be taken away from Juda, nor a ruler from his thigh, till he come that is to be sent, and he shall be the expectation of nations." (Genesis 49:10 Douay-Rheims Bible) (Shiloh, "The Tranquillizer"). Finally "And in that day I will make a covenant with them, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of the air, and with the creeping things of the earth: and I will destroy the bow, and the sword, and war out of the land: and I will make them sleep secure." (Hosea 2:18 Douay-RheimsBible). Even already He is "our peace" "Glory to God in the highest, and on the earth peace among men with whom he is well pleased." (Luke 2:14 The Bible in Basic English), "For he is our peace, who has made the two into one, and by whom the middle wall of division has been broken down," (Ephesians 2:14 The Bible in Basic English). [[Here Jesus (Jeshua), the lessor one, lets it be known that he is the glory of his Father, the superior one (YHWH)]]
Additional Information:
17 (Philippians 2:5-8 AV). He was referred to in prophecy in the Old Testament as a Mighty God, but not as the Almighty God (YHWH), which clearly shows he was a very powerful spirit creature second in power and glory only to his Father " For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6 AV). When the proper time arrived, he was sent by his Father, ), Almighty God (YHWH), to earth " But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law," (Galatians 4:4 AV), "And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:30-35 AV).
Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) is clearly the son of Almighty God (YHWH). With respect to his Father, Almighty God (YHWH) the scriptures clearly show he always existed " Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." (Psalms 90:2 AV); whereas, with Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) the scriptures clearly show "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" (Colossians 1:14-15 AV), and likewise call him "" For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6 AV). Notice, he is NOT called Almighty God, but mighty God; quite different from his Father. Furthermore, he is called, "The everlasting Father," I want you to notice how it says that this Son will be called "Everlasting Father". But wait, notice it says "Son" will be "called". How is one to understand that a "Son" will be called a "Father"? We see many people do not understand this scripture, and "think" they do understand." " Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?" (Matthew 26:53 AV), Now we understand that there has to be someone else in order for this to be true. " And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are." (John 17:11 AV), obviously, you do not have to be a scientist to know there is two beings involved here. " As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me." (John 6:57 AV), here also, it is so obvious that two entities are being spoken about a 4 th. Grader would see it.
Now we understand that The Son is not The Father. So why does it say in Isaiah 9:6 that The Son will be called "Everlasting Father"? Let's look at some scripture, John 17:22-26 AV, "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them." " Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." (John 14:10 AV); The Father dwells in the Son, so now we know why The Son is "called" Everlasting Father, because the Everlasting Father is in the Son. So the understanding is: If I come to to The Son and say to him "Father", he will reply, Yes, Son?". But why is he called the mighty God? The Father is the Almighty God, so if I come to to The Son and say to him "mighty God", he will reply, "Yes, what can I do for you?". This is because the Almighty God (YHWH) dwells in The Son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves). To sumarize, I will provide some scripture for a further understanding, " Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily." (Colossians 1:12-29 AV), " And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." (1 John 5:20 AV), and this is one of my favorite scriptures that explains that The True God is in The Son, and we are in The True God who is in The Son, try reading the scriptures above where the Father is in The Son and we in The Father and we in The Son. So now the understanding is clear that the Son is not the Almighty God (YHWH), and the Son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), is not the Everlasting Father. Let the truth be known, " Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" (Deuteronomy 6:4 AV), this is Unsullied Monotheism That Does Not Support Unity For Another.
For additional proof/evidence the Trinity is false dogma, see Post, "Discourse on John 1:1" and the three letters of Bro. Scaramastro on the same thread, "Discourse on Isaiah 9:6," "Discourse on Isaiah 9:7," "Discourse on 1 Timothy 3:16," "The Trinity is False Doctrine - Revised," etc. on this BB. Also go to the resources mentioned in these writings and especially to the following Links:
philologos.org/__eb-ttb/default.htm (The Two Babylons, by Rev. Alexander Hilsop)
reslight.addr.com/greatdebate.html (The Great Debate Regarding The Father, Son & Holy Spirit; An exhaustive verse-by-verse, side-by-side; by Roger Wagner)
www.heraldmag.org/olb/bsl/Library/Doctrine/Trinity/Debate/TGD1.pdf (book on great trinitarian/arius debate on line)
www.christianeducational.org/faq/v1i3.pdf
www.antipas.org/magazine/editor/trinity/letter1.html (against Trinity clearly shows father and son different)
www.tellway-publishing.com ("Jesus-God or the Son of God?" by Brian Holt - one of the best)
members.aol.com/hector3001/christology.htm
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[1] religioustruths.proboards59.com/ An Educational Referral Forum
[2] www.network54.com/Forum/403209 A Forum Devoted to Exposing The False Religion of Islam
[3] jude3.proboards92.com/ A Free-Speech Forum For All
[4] www.freewebs.com/iris_the_preacher My web site.
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