Post by iris89 on Jul 13, 2010 8:05:05 GMT -5
Several Scriptures Show The Trinity Is Impossible – John 17:5 Is One:
The fact that Jesus was a mighty one with the only true Might is shown by John 17:1-5, “These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
In John 17:3 Jesus tells us who he was with (John 17:5), describing his
Father as the "only true God," the only true Supreme Being. Jesus tells us o***lory that he had at that time, which it is evident that the he did not have while he was in the days of his flesh.
Hebrews 5:7-9 says, “Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;” (AV) By comparing spiritual
revelation with spiritual revelation, we can then see that when John described the Logos, saying the he "was theos," John was describing the glory that Jesus had with the only true God before the world of mankind was made. -- John 17:5.
Paul helps out by showing that there are two general planes of glory, the celestial (heavenly) and the terrestrial (earthly). See 1 Corinthians 15:40, “There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.” (AV) Jesus had the mighty celestial glory before he became flesh, but while he was in the days of his flesh, he did not have that glory that he had before he became flesh, for why would be asking to have the glory he once had if they still had it? (John 17:5) Because John is speaking of that glory that Jesus once had before he became flesh, John says that "the Logos was [past tense] mighty."
The fact that Jesus was a mighty one with the only true Might is shown by John 17:1-5, “These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
In John 17:3 Jesus tells us who he was with (John 17:5), describing his
Father as the "only true God," the only true Supreme Being. Jesus tells us o***lory that he had at that time, which it is evident that the he did not have while he was in the days of his flesh.
Hebrews 5:7-9 says, “Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;” (AV) By comparing spiritual
revelation with spiritual revelation, we can then see that when John described the Logos, saying the he "was theos," John was describing the glory that Jesus had with the only true God before the world of mankind was made. -- John 17:5.
Paul helps out by showing that there are two general planes of glory, the celestial (heavenly) and the terrestrial (earthly). See 1 Corinthians 15:40, “There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.” (AV) Jesus had the mighty celestial glory before he became flesh, but while he was in the days of his flesh, he did not have that glory that he had before he became flesh, for why would be asking to have the glory he once had if they still had it? (John 17:5) Because John is speaking of that glory that Jesus once had before he became flesh, John says that "the Logos was [past tense] mighty."