Who Is The Aggressor in Gaza - The Reality, the Fa

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Let’s Look At Who Is The Aggressor In Gaza:



Some wrongly claim Israel is the aggressor, but that is just an outright lie. Here is a newspaper article that blows this outright lie right out of the water.



“Revisiting Disengagement, by Shami McManus and Sergio Carmona, in the Jewish Journal of Aughus 4, 2010 on Page 1.



Five years after the Israeli government up-rooted more than 8,000 Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip, ceding the land to Palestinians in the hope of peace, some are calling the sacrifice a disaster.



“Anyone who thinks the forced removal of Jewish settlers in the Gaza Strip delivered the ‘peace’ that prompted the removal is delusional,” Rabbi Sholom Clment of Chabad of Boynton Beach said.



“What Israel got in return was a terrorist state, sworn in thought, deed and action and, in their written mission statement – the destruction of the Jewish State.” He noted.



The august, 2005 disengagement, spearheaded by then Prime Min ister Arial Sharon, unilaterally uprooted the 21 settlements of Gush Katif and four settlements in Northern Samaria. The action tore at the fabric of Israeli society and nearly caused a civil war.



Americans for a Safe Israel and Zionist Organization of America recently sponsored a 5 the anniversary commemoration of the Gush Katif forced removal at K Space in Sunny Isles Beach. The event also was a fundraiser for the refugees of Gush Katif.



Sharona Whisler, campus coordinator for ZOA, said the organization was one of the few pro-Israel organizations that took a position against the disengagement.



“ZOA was outspokenly opposed the the disengagement and said that it was bad for Israel and that there were no guarantees and no commitment from the Arabs,” Whisler said.



Carol Flatto, chairman of Americans for a Safe Israel, echoed these sentiments.



“By making a unilateral concession, Israel showed weakness and gave up her rightful claim to part of the Jewish biblical homeland and internationally recorganized territory, thus opening the door wide to additional claims and demands of the Arab world.” She said. [[Note, Israel did NOT give up her claim to the sea in front of Gaza so any flotilla crossing it would be violating Israel territory, per international law.]]



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Five years after disengagement, 86 percent of those forced to leave homes in the Gaza Strip are still living in temporary housing, Vanunu noted.



“Even today, many of them are jobless,” he said. …



The legacy of disengagement has been “destruction and terror,” Vanunu told those gathered.



“From the ruins of my [former] house, they are shooting rockets into Israel,’ he said.



“There’s more violence and there’s more war,” she said. “the disengagement was very damaging…



Paul Hirschson, deputy consul general of Israel to Florida and Puerto Rico, said Israel left the Gaza Strip in the hope that the Palesinians would use the opportunity to build something better in partnership with Israel, which would lead to reconciliation.



“Sadly, this was not to be,” Hirschson noted. “Hamas, …has since imposed an increasingly dark rule over Palestinians and violently confronts Israel. Israel, while not compromising security, will continue to seek peace with all her neighbors.



For more information on the Gush Katif Committee, contact Dror Vanunu, POBox 450, Ahuzai Etrog, 79411, Israel, or visit http://www.gushkatif.org.”



REALITY –



One, Many Palestinians in Gaza seek strive and violence and not peace.



Two, They kidnapped an Israel soldier and killed two others in a wrongful raid into Israel and refuse to give him back and/or to punish the perpetrators of heinous crime.



Three, Many rockets are in aggression launched from Gaza against Israel by members of Islam, and apparently Islam gives tacit approval to this evil action as none of the perpetrators has ever been excommunicated and/or thrown out of Islam even though it is well known who many of them are.



Four, the Gazan authorities seek to promote confrontation as shown by their efforts to get blockade running flotillas to trespass on Israel sea space so as to get a confrontation.



Five, many residents of Gaza have committed various acts of aggression against Israel, but wrongly cry foul when Israel strikes back in self defense.



Six, Gazans to NOT want peace, their actions show they desire strife. [[They could have peace tomorrow with Israel if they wanted it.]]

[iris89]

First, The Hebrews were once Almighty God's (YHWH's) chosen people, but are no longer such since they rejected his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ.

Second, Israel has NOT committed aggression toward Islamic people, but the reality is they, the Islamic peoples have for centuries committed aggression against the Hebrews and stolen their land. Now here are some facts:

[1] "Many do not realize that a Seventh Century theft of land my members of Islam is totally responsible for all the problems in Palestine and the surrounding areas today. This theft of land by conquest by members of Islam under the direction of Caliph Umar ibn al—Khattab the successor to Caliph Abu Bakr who directed his right hand pillager Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah.

They captured Jerusalem in 638 AD. After that they and other Muslim leaders (Caliphs) after them began moving in their followers from Arab lands onto the land wrongly occupied by them. At this time they now had wrongful posession, but not legitimate title to the land of Palestine as this, title, was held by the Hebrews, Jews, since approximately 1,500 BC. when it was given to them by Almighty God (YHWH), Creator of all there is, the superme authority in the entire universe, and this grant of title is recorded at Numbers chapter 34 – making it the most publically recorded granting of title in all human history with over six (6) billion copies existing until today.

Of course, the Muslims always like to cast themselves as victims, but reality is they are the greatest wrongful occupiers of land in all human history. But note how they scream about the simple policing action in Iraq as an occupation, and the Hebrews, Jews, retaking of some of their own land as an occupation – utter lies to cover up their own wrong occupations. Fact is, the USA and other nations want out of Iraq as quickly as possible but have not been able to get out due to the love of some members of Islam for violence such as human bombs, suicide bombers, etc.

But of course the fact, the reality, is that if the members of Islam had NOT wrongly occupied Palestine in the first place there would simply be no Palestine issue today.

MIDDLE EAST REALITY IN THE 7 TH. CENTURY:

As the “History of Movement of People,” said, <<” One of the most dramatic and sudden movements of any people in history is the expansion, by conquest, of the Arabs in the 7th century (only the example of the Mongols in the 13th century can match it). The desert tribesmen of Arabia form the bulk of the Muslim armies. Their natural ferocity and love of warfare, together with the sense of moral rectitude provided by their new religion, form an irresistible combination.

When Muhammad dies in 632, the western half of Arabia is Muslim. Two years later the entire peninsula has been brought to the faith, and Muslim armies have moved up into the desert between Syria and Mesopotamia.

…

The great Christian cities of Syria and Palestine fall to the Arabs in rapid succession from AD 635. Damascus, in that year, is the first to be captured. Antioch follows in 636. And 638 brings the greatest prize of all, in Muslim terms, when Jerusalem is taken after a year's siege.” [source – History World, HISTORY OF THE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLES, retrieved from www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/...HistoryID=ab18 on 5/15/2009]>>
And this reality is confirmed as follows, <<” The Arab conquests: 7th century AD, Umar continued the war of conquests begun by Abu Bakr. He pressed into the Sassanid Persian Empire itself, but he also headed north into Syria and Byzantine territory and west into Egypt. These were some of the richest regions in the world guarded by powerful states, but a lengthy war between the Byzantines and Sassanids had left both states militarily exhausted. Islamic forces easily prevailed in war against the two states. By 640, Islamic military campaigns had brought all of Mesopotamia, Syria and Palestine under the control of Rashidun Caliphate. Egypt was conquered by 642 and the entire Persian Empire by 643 …
On 22 August 634, Caliph Abu Bakr died, making Umar his successor. As Umar became caliph, he relieved Khalid from commanding the Islamic armies and appointed Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah as the new commander of Muslim army, the conquest of Syria slow down under him and Abu-Ubaida relied heavily on the advice of Khalid, and he kept beside him as much as possible. [9]
The last large garrison of Byzantine army was at Fahl, which was joined by survivors of Ajnadayn. With this threat at their rear Muslim armies could not more north or south, Thus Abu Ubaidah decided to deal with it, this garrison defeated and routed at Battle of Fahl on 23rd of January 635. This battle proved to be the Key to palestine. “.[source – retrieved from, “Ra shidun Caliphate, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate on 5/15/2009]>>
An interesting book, “The Rock: A Tale of Seventh-Century Jerusalem (Hardcover), by Kanan Makiya (Author) gives even more insight on this.
And the “Historical Tour of Jerusalem says, <<”The Arab Period (638-1099),
The Arabs conquered Jerusalem around 638 C.E. The city retained its Roman name, Aelia, until the tenth century, when it was changed to the Arabic al-Quds (the Holy). At the time of its capture, Jerusalem was a sacred city for all three Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). When the Arab armies took Jerusalem in 638, they occupied a center whose shrines had made it a major pilgrimage site in Christendom. The empire of the Umayyads, stretched over vast areas from the borders of France to the borders of India. However, after the Umayyads were replaced by the Abbasids, the steady decline of Jerusalem began. Damascus was the Umayyad Empire’s capital until the Abbasids moved the capital to Baghdad. The proximity of the capital to Jerusalem was one of the reasons that Damascus caliphs paid special attention to the city. However, the move to Baghdad distanced the concerns of the Abbasid caliphs.(1)”[source - The Muslim Period, from ‘A HISTORICAL TOUR OF JERUSALEM,’ retrieved from www1.american.edu/TED/hpages/...lum/muslim.htm on 5/13/2009]>>
<<”On 22 August 634, Caliph Abu Bakr died, making Umar his successor. As Umar became caliph, he relieved Khalid from commanding the Islamic armies and appointed Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah as the new commander of Muslim army, the conquest of Syria slow down under him and Abu-Ubaida relied heavily on the advice of Khalid, and he kept beside him as much as possible. [9]
The last large garrison of Byzantine army was at Fahl, which was joined by survivors of Ajnadayn. With this threat at their rear Muslim armies could not more north or south, Thus Abu Ubaidah decided to deal with it, this garrison defeated and routed at Battle of Fahl on 23rd of January 635. This battle proved to be the Key to palestine. .[source - Ra shidun Caliphate, retrieved from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate on 5/15/2009 ]>>
<<”The Arab Period (638-1099)The Arabs conquered Jerusalem around 638 C.E. The city retained its Roman name, Aelia, until the tenth century, when it was changed to the Arabic al-Quds (the Holy). At the time of its capture, Jerusalem was a sacred city for all three Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). When the Arab armies took Jerusalem in 638, they occupied a center whose shrines had made it a major pilgrimage site in Christendom. The empire of the Umayyads, stretched over vast areas from the borders of France to the borders of India. However, after the Umayyads were replaced by the Abbasids, the steady decline of Jerusalem began. Damascus was the Umayyad Empire’s capital until the Abbasids moved the capital to Baghdad. The proximity of the capital to Jerusalem was one of the reasons that Damascus caliphs paid special attention to the city. However, the move to Baghdad distanced the concerns of the Abbasid caliphs.(1)”[source - The Muslim Period, from ‘A HISTORICAL TOUR OF JERUSALEM,’ www1.american.edu/TED/hpages/...lum/muslim.htm ]>>
So as can readily be seen the REAL WRONGFUL OCCUPIERS in Palestine are the members of Islam whose ancestors stole the land in the Seventh Century.
HISTORY OF THE HEBREWS IN JERUSALEM FOR OVER 3,000 YEARS:
For over 3,000 years, since Almighty God (YHWH), the Creator of all there is gave them title to Palestine, the Hebrews, Jews, have always maintained a presence in the land. One historical account says this with respect this fact,

<<”HISTORY
Jewish Continuity in Jerusalem
Throughout history, the Jewish People has maintained a presence in Jerusalem, ever since King David established the city as his capital nearly 3,000 years ago. Except for a very few periods, when they were forcibly barred from living in the city by foreign conquerors, Jews have always lived in Jerusalem. It is for this reason that Jews regard the city as their national center. Indeed, it is the centrality of the connection with Jerusalem -- Zion -- which led the modern Jewish movement for national liberation to be called Zionism. Throughout millennia, and in the face of conquest, forced exile, violence and discrimination, Jews have maintained their direct link to Jerusalem, returning to live in their city again and again.
The Jewish national and religious tie to Jerusalem was first established by King David and Solomon, his son, who built the first Temple there. This First Commonwealth lasted over 400 years, until the Babylonians conquered Jerusalem and exiled the Jewish inhabitants of the city. Immediately following the Persian defeat of the Babylonians, the Jews returned to Jerusalem less than 100 years later, rebuilt their Temple and reestablished the Jewish character of the city.
For the next 500 years, the Jews further strengthened their presence in Jerusalem, surviving various attempts by foreign empires to destroy their national and religious identity. Greeks, Seleucids and Romans took turns in conquering the city, forbidding Jewish religious practices and encouraging the Jews to assimilate into the dominant culture. Several times, the Jews were forced to take up arms in order to preserve their liberty and heritage.
Only after the Second Temple was destroyed by Rome in 70 AD, and a subsequent Jewish revolt was crushed in 135 AD, was the Jewish presence in the city temporarily suspended, following the killing or enslavement of the Jewish population by the Romans.
By the 4th century, some Jews had managed to make their way back to the city. In the 5th century, under early Christian rule, Jews were, at various times, either more or less free to practice their religion. At this time, few non-Christian communities remained in the country, apart from the Jews. Theodosius II (408-450) deprived the Jews of their relative autonomy and their right to hold public positions. Jewish courts were forbidden to sit on mixed Jewish-Christian cases and the construction of new synagogues was prohibited. Jews were forbidden to enter Jerusalem except on one day a year, to mourn the destruction of the Temple.
At the beginning of the 7th century, the Jews looked to the Persians for salvation. Hoping to be permitted to worship freely once the Byzantine oppression had been removed, the Jews encouraged the Persians' conquest of Acre and Jerusalem, and a Jewish community was subsequently allowed to settle and worship in Jerusalem (614-17), though it was later expelled. Under early Arab rule, a Jewish community was reestablished in Jerusalem and flourished in the 8th century. Jews were even among those who guarded the walls of the Dome of the Rock. In return, they were absolved from paying the poll-tax imposed on all non-Muslims. In the 10th and 11th centuries, however, harsh measures were imposed against the Jews by the Fatimids, who seized power in 969. Though the Jewish academy (Yeshiva) of Jerusalem was compelled by Caliph Al-Hakim to reestablish itself in Ramle, entry to Jerusalem was revived by the "Mourners of Zion", Diaspora Jews who did not cease to lament the destruction of the Temple. This movement, which held that "aliyah" -- ascent to the Land -- would hasten the resurrection of Israel, was at its peak in the 9th-11th centuries. Many Jews came from Byzantium and Iraq and established communities.
The Biblical Era
While various origins have been proposed for its Semitic name, Yerushalem -- often translated as "the city of Shalem" -- the Bible recounts in Genesis that Abraham visited King Malchizedek of Shalem, which the commentators equate with Jerusalem. Interestingly, "shalem" is also related grammatically to "shalom," or peace; thus the city's appellation: "City of Peace." The Hebrew root "shalem" also means "wholeness." The first archeological evidence of Jerusalem's history dates back to the Early Bronze Age (c. 3000 BC).
When David was anointed King of Israel (c. 1000 BC), and subsequently united the tribes of Israel, he captured the city -- which he perceived as an ideal site for the capital of his new kingdom. Then, with the King and the Ark of the Covenant in residence in the city, Jerusalem was transformed into both the political capital and the religious center of Israel. King David's son and successor, Solomon, consolidated Jerusalem's eternal religious significance for all Jews by building the First Temple.” [source - HISTORY OF JERUSALEM, retrieved from, www.shalomjerusalem.com/jerus...erusalem3b.htm on 4/30/2009]>>
And this is also testified to as follows, <<”The city has a history that goes back to the 4th millennium BCE, making it one of the oldest cities in the world. Jerusalem has been the holiest city in Judaism and the spiritual center of the Jewish people since the 10th century BCE, contains a number of significant ancient Christian sites, and is considered the third-holiest city in Islam. Despite having an area of only 0.9 square kilometer (0.35 square mile),[source – wapedia – Wiki: Jerusalem, retrieved from wapedia.mobi/en/jerusalem on 5/14/2009]>>[source - Digital Book on Land Title, bit.ly/axnSdc ]

[2] some Lebonese members of Islam have rained over 6,000 rockets on Israel, the land of the Hebrews, and forced Israel to defend itself by going on the offensive to stop this agression by some Lebonese members of Islam.

[3] Some in Gaza have continued to rain over 4,000 rockets on Israel, and to kiddnap Israelis, with the full approval of the Gazan authorities. The kidnapped victim has NOT been returned nor his kidnappers punished, and this with the full knowledge of all the Gazans. This forced Israel to defend against these agressions by the Gazans and to go on the offensive to try and stop this uncalled for agression.

Thus, as can readily be seen, the statement by the poster, "Thus attempting to support his claim that Israeli aggression toward Islamic peoples is righteous." is clearly an outright lie and untruth. What I have been condeming is the agression of many Islamic people against the Hebrews, and a request they return the landthey stole from the Hebrews back to them.

Third, this poster sould start to learn reality by going and reading an article by Shani McManus and Sergio Carmona, called "Revisiting disengagement," in the August 4, 2010 issue of the 'Jewish Journal' whose Interned URL is www.floridajewishjournal.com. If this poster does sh, he/she will see that a big apology is owed me.

Last, All should start telling the truth instead of making false accusations against others and telling lies about them in their post.

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The Sponsors of Unprovoked Attacks and Criminal Acts Responsible For All That Occurs:

INTRODUCTION:

Many like to place the blame on others for what results from their own willful acts. With Islam this has been the case from at least 711 AD forward. In 711 AD they attacked Spain and through the years overran most of the country, but when they got kicked out finally about seven hundred years after they started their illegal occupation they screamed about all the wonderful things they did for those they subjected; what utter nonsense.

Now the same group after illegally occupying Palestine against its rightful title holders who were so gracious as to allow them to remain in two large parts are crying crocodile tears because when they WRONGFULLY attacked areas belonging to the legitimate title holders; guess what, the legitimate title holders defended themselves. Now it makes one wonder, what these individuals and groups were thinking the legitimate title holders should do when attacked without any provocation?

A LITTLE HISTORY FIRST:

Early history and the unprovoked attack on Spain:

In 711 the Visigothic were ruling in Spain and in no way attacking Islam, yet Islam attacked them without any real provocation. Yes, of course they claimed they had provocation, i.e., they claimed that last Visigoth king, Roderick had seduced the young Florinda, daughter of Julian, Visigothic governor of Ceuta in north Africa an apostate (counterfeit) Christian and they were out to avenge this; but clearly two things stand out, First, it was none of their business, Second, there is no evidence that this ever occurred.

Now Let's look at proof that Islam is NOT a religion of peace from history,
<<" In 711 CE Tariq ibn Ziyad, the governor of Tangiers, landed in Gibraltar with around 10,000 men, mostly Berbers (indigenous North Africans). He had some of Roderick's Visigoth rivals as allies. In the same or following year in the Cadiz province, Roderick's army was decimated and he is thought to have drowned as he fled. The Visigothic survivors fled to the north of Spain, and within a few years, the Muslims had taken over the rest of the Iberian Peninsula bar a few areas in the Asturian Mountains bordering France.
[source - www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/seerah/0075_intro.htm , then click 'Muslim Conquest of Spain' {Note: this is a Muslim site.}].

This was nothing short of stealing what did not belong to them by force.

Recent history of another unprovoked attack, this time on an Israel army camp in Israel:

First, a short item on who had rightful title to the land:
<<"Promised Land held in trust. Even the people Israel, to whom God had given the land for them to enjoy as landowners, were told by Jehovah that they were not actually owners of it but only held it in trust. He said concerning the sale of a family land estate: "So the land should not be sold in perpetuity, because the land is mine. For you are alien residents and settlers from my standpoint." (Le 25:23) God had ousted the Canaanites from the land for their disgusting practices. He warned he would also take away all title from Israel and drive them out of the land if they followed such practices, and when they later did, they were sent into exile. (Le 18:24-30; 25:18, 19; 26:27-33; Jer 52:27) After 70 years of desolation of their land, from 607 to 537 B.C.E., God mercifully reestablished them, but this time under Gentile domination. Eventually, in 70 C.E., the Romans completely destroyed Jerusalem and scattered its people.

Within the nation, tribes were assigned sections of the land or cities inside the boundaries of other tribes. Priests and Levites had cities with pasture grounds. (Jos 15-21) In turn, within the tribes families were allotted inheritances. These divisions became smaller as families subdivided their own allotments because of increase in numbers. This resulted in thorough cultivation and use of the land. Inheritances were not allowed to circulate from one tribe to another. To prevent this, women who inherited land (because there were no living brothers) had to marry within the tribe to hold their inheritance.-Nu 36:1-12.">>[source - Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2]

So as can be seen, the Jews have clear title to all of Palestine and NOT the apostate (counterfeit) Christians Crusaders nor members of Islam. But what do the members of Islam squatters do, they seek to kill Jews dwelling on land to which they have rightful title because they want it for themselves as is usual for Islam. They send suicide bombers in to murder Jews, and send in military rockets to do the same evil thing - now how can anyone in his right mind call Islam a religion of peace. Witness the recent attack on 06/26/2006 on a Jewish military camp where members of Islam murdered two Jewish soldiers who were doing them no wrong and kidnapped a third whose whereabouts is unknown on 06/27/2006; this despite the fact that the Jews are willing to let the Islamic squatters dwell on a large area of their land, and only want peace, i.e., to be left alone and not attacked and murdered.

On 07/05/2006 the world news said, <<" Israeli forces take over belt of northern Gaza, Reuters - 49 minutes ago [07/05/2006]
GAZA - Israeli armored forces took over a belt of the northern Gaza Strip on Thursday, expanding an offensive after militants fired rockets that hit a major city, Palestinian security sources said. Under covering fire from helicopter gunships, tanks moved into an area including the rubble of three of the Jewish settlements evacuated when Israel abandoned the Gaza Strip last summer after 38 years of occupation." [source - Reuters]>>.
Just another unprovoked attack. Why? Because Israel had gone after the squatters for killing three people and kidnapping a fourth, and the government, Hamas, refused to do what was right, return the kidnapped victim and punish and/or turn over the criminals, but unbelievable joined with them and became accessories-after-the-fact.

And other Islamic governments, believe it or not, want Israel to stop trying to get justice and return the kidnapped victim to his parents. Let's look at the proof from the world news, with comments identified [[ comment ]], <<" Sat Jul 8, 11:19 AM ET
[07/08/2006]
TEHRAN (AFP) - The foreign ministers of Arab nations attending a meeting on
Iraq in Iran condemned Israel for its "increasing aggression against the Palestinian people" [[now who is the aggressor when you go over the boarder and kill two individuals and kidnappe a third?]] and attacked the "silence" of the international community. [[They are crying crocodile tears due to the reaction to an unprovoked attack by members of Islam and the natural justified response to same]].

"The Arab foreign ministers participating in today's Tehran meeting expressed their strong condemnation of this continuing and increasing aggression against the Palestinian people [[Agression? All Israel is asking is for the return of their soldier and for rocket attacks to stop when actually they should be asking for much more such as punishment of the criminals whom Hamas has become accessories-after-the-fact with.]]," Arab League Secretary General Amr Mussa said in a statement Saturday.

Arab officials from Bahrain, Egypt, Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and
Syria were gathered in Tehran Saturday for a two-day conference on security in Iraq.

The statement said the officials also "voiced sorrow over international silence, and held United Nations Security Council members responsible for the dangerous violations of international laws and treaties" [[They refuse to accept reality of the fact that it was members of Islam and not the Jews who violated international law and treaties.]].
They also "decided to continue consultions among themselves and other foreign ministers of Arab nations to take necessary steps over the aggressive Israeli policies" [[Aggressive policies, such as responding to a very egregious crime that the government, Hamas, became accessories-after-the-fact to.]].

Israel two weeks ago launched a massive incursion into the Gaza Strip after Palestinian militants from three groups, including Hamas's armed wing, captured an Israeli soldier in a deadly raid on a border outpost.[[Why do not these Arab nations demand that Hamas return the Soldier and punish the egregious criminals, and seek for peace to return to the ares?]]">>[/quote]

WRONGFUL COMMENTS BY A MEMBER OF ISLAM KNOWN BY NICKNAME "SUKIFUL":

First, an exact quote:

interesting name for someone whom fails to see. if america was loosing innocent civillians at the same rate as muslims, your stomach for war would be in doubt. suicide bombers take the war too the israelis etc. if suicide bombers killed some us civillians in ny, would that be fair revenge for the civillian deaths in iraq, afgahn, etc?

If one lights the fuse to a stick of dynamite, they should not be surprised at the explosion that results, so get real. If you make an unprovoked attack on someone, YOU ARE AT FAULT for any thing that results, do you get it?

Now let's face it, we should pursue peace, not war as shown at 1 Peter 3:8-12, "Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: 9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing. 10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: 11 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. 12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil." (Authorized King james Bible; AV). Clearly then, we should pursue peace; however, Islam seeks revenge for what happens to them for what they start which is as absurd as seeking revenge from the manufacturer for the damage done by a stick of dynamite that you willfully lit full well knowing the results.

Second, an exact quote:

when an israeli or yank kills an innocent muslim civillian, you deem that ok. for a muslim to reciprocate you start name calling. how many civillians have now died in iraq as a direct result of american ordinance? how many palestinians have died as a result of jewish occupation?

Again one must look at the circumstances. If it happens as collateral damages due to an egregious act, then the one committing the egregious act is to blame and no one else. But as can be seen from the above quote, the writer seeks to put the blame on the WRONG persons and/or group rather than to be honest and admit the guilt of his/her group. However, the one or group that caused the wrongful situation that resulted in the unfortunate incident is solely to blame.

Let's look at an example, some evil doer shoots a rocket at an individual or city, and the individual or city defends itself and hits back with heavy military gear and innocent citizens get hurt who is to blame? Simple, the ones responsible for the original egregious situation. Now let's face it the unfortunate situations in Afghanistan and Iraq are both due to an attack by Osama bin Ladin; therefore, he and like minded individuals MUST BE HELD GUILTY FOR ALL THAT RESULTS, so let's be real and put the blame where it rightfully belongs.

Third, an exact quote:

i do not agree with targeting of civillians by either side, either with sophisticated weapons or suicide bombers. it is wrong, but if one side does it, you must understand so will the other. both are murdering innocents. neither side has the moral high ground. one must also keep in mind that the iraqis and palestinians have been invaded. their civillians have been targeted first.

Anyone committing the unprovoked attack is JUST PLAIN WRONG and you well know it, and has NO RIGHT to not expect a defense. They are responsible for all that transpires, and not the one being aggressed against. In other words you go out to make war and trouble, you should bear the total responsibility for all that results.

There are no sides to justice and peace which all should pursue. This person's argument is completely flawed. You are in effect saying that if a criminal kidnaps someone or robs someone the police have no right to bring him to justice which is patently absurd, and completely against the concept of true justice.

Also, no one should target civilians or for that matter anyone else, ALL SHOULD PURSUE PEACE. Hamas has made it clear that they do NOT want peace and tranquility by becoming accessories-after-the-fact with criminals and even contemptuously saying that they want to legitimate the legitimate title holders. Yes, this is the same nonsense as they tried in Spain, but the Spanish were smarter than the Israelis in that they threw the occupiers who had occupied their country entirely out instead of letting them keep some of their ill gotten land, and now they are paying for being kind.


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Flotilla and Hypocrisy Toward Israel:

As noted by Eli Stutz in his article “Exposing World Hypocrisy vs. Israel he brought out the reality that Lebanon has treated its Palestinians far worse than Israel. “in an op-ed that appears in the Wall Street Journal, Ayalon [[Israel’s Deputy foreign Minister]] had harsh words for an international community which berates Israel for its actions, while ignoring similar actions by other countries in a multitude of conflicts. It will be clearly shown in this article that many Lebanese Muslims are NOT showing LOVE to the Palestinian Muslims in Lebanon, a clear disregard of 1 John 3:18, “My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.” (Authorized King James Bible: AV).

[[Danny Ayalon]] Vividly describing a brutal attack on a Palestinian refugee camp where 500 people were killed, Ayalon writes, “While most will assume that the events described above took place in the West Bank or Gaza, they actually took place in Lebanon in the summer of 2007, when Palestinian terrorist attacked the Lebanese Army, which struck back with deadly force.”

Ayalon highlights the fact that when Israedl is not involved, the world is silent. “At the time, there was little international outcry,” he writes. “No world leader decried the ‘prison camps’ in Lebanon. No demonstrations took place around the world; no U.N. investigation panels were created and little media attention was attracted. In fact, the plight of the Palestinians in Lebanon [] garners very little attention internationally.”

[[The reality is that there are more than 400,000 Palestinians in Lebanon, lacking basic resources and deprived of their rights]]

As Ayalon noted, “It is the height of irony that a Lebanese flotilla is organized to leave the port of Tripoli in the next few days to bring aid to Palestinans in Gaza.”

He continues on to expose the truth about Gaza, “that instead of being a poverty-stricken region with a major humanitarian crisis, its markets are actually brimming with food. ‘This is the same Gaza that just opened a sparkling new shopping mall that would not look out of place in any capital in Europe. Gaza, where a new Olympic-sized swimming pool was recently inaugurated and five-star hotels and restaurants offer luxurious fare.’”

[[All of this exposes the hypocrisy of the flotilla missions to be NOT to bring aid to Gaza, but to create international incidents and to try and make Israel look bad by people that are super racist who just hate the Jews (Hebrews) and lust to create conflict and violence. Clearly these super racist have not heeded what is written the inspired word of Almighty God (YHWH), the Bible, at 1 John 4:8, “He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.” (AV) ]]

“Ayalon’s senior advisor, Ashley Perry, explained Ayalon’s motivation for the article to ‘Israel National News. ‘The purpose was to expose the hypocrisy of many of the so called human rights activists who try to single out our conflict and Israel from the many conflicts around the world,’” said Perry.

“The flotilla exposes something we always knew, but just makes it more obvious. The Lebanese perpetrated injustice against its own Palestinians, and have left them in second class status. It really exposes the hypocrisy of the whole flotilla exercise.”

[[It is high time that Israel stops being defensive with regard to Public Relations (PR) and go on the PR offensive and clearly show that whereas the Muslim Lebonese authorities call the Muslim Palestinians in Gaza their brothers, they certainly do NOT treat those in Lebanon as their brothers.]]

[source of information – an article, “Exposing World Hypocrisy Vs. Israel,” by Eli Stutz, on page 12, of ‘The Jewish Journal’ of Wednesday, August 4, 2010]

Now why are many Lebanese Muslims NOT SHOWING LOVE to the Palestinian Muslims in Lebanon while calling Palestinian Muslims in Gaza their brothers? Obviously they are going against what Jesus (Yeshua) Christ said at Matthew 22:37-40, “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” (AV).

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