Islam, Violent From The Beginning Using India as A

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Islam, Violent From The Beginning Using India as An Example:

INTRODUCTION:

Many religions start out very peaceful, but later branch off into violence such as Christianity which started out on the principal of love and truth, but in the 4 th. Century took two very different paths. One path, went apostate and became very violent and accepted false pagan doctrine, the larger path, called apostate (counterfeit) Christians, and one path remained true to the original teachings of Christ of love and truth, the genuine (true) Christians.

However, some religions start out with a violent charismatic leader and remain violent. A good example if Islam.

A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF VIOLENCE BY ISLAM FROM SATYAMEVA JAYATE:

Satyameva Jayate, Truth Alone Triumphs, as sponsored by Jai Maharaj, stated the following, "
Genocide committed in the name of Allah: 3,000,000 Bangladeshi Hindus Killed during the Pakistan-Bangladesh war in 1971. From 1894 to 1896 Abdul Hamid, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, killed 150,000 Armenian Christians. In India, Sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur along with his disciples was burned to death by the Moghul ruler Aurangzeb in 1675. Another Sikh, Bhai Mati Das was sawn into right and left halves while he was still alive. In July 1974, 4,000 Christians living in Cyprus were killed by Fahri Koroturk, president of Turkey and his Islamic army. From 1843 to 1846 10,000 Assyrian Christians including women and children were massacred by the Muslims. From 1915 to 1918 750,000 Assyrians were killed in the name of Islamic Jihad. In 1933 thousands of Assyrian villagers were murdered by the Iraqi soldiers in Northern Iraq. Since 1990 more than 10,000 Kashmiri Hindus have been brutally murdered by Islamic fundamentalists. Over 280,000 Ugandans killed during the reign of Idi Amin from 1971 to 1979. Over 30,000 Mauritanians have been killed by the Islamic dictators since 1960. In 1980, 20,000 Syrians were murdered under the rule of Hafez Al-Assad, President of Syria. Since 1992 120,000 Algerians have been murdered by the Islamic fundamentalist army" [source - Satyameva Jayate, Truth Alone Triumphs, as sponsored by Jai Maharaj, www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/ ][/quote]

EARLY HISTORY OF ISLAM'S VIOLENT WAYS:

K. S. Lai, the greatest of all historians in India said, "Islam received a definite check in India. In other words, while countries like Arabia, Persia, Mesopotamia and Syria succumbed to the onslaught of Islam and converted en masse, the sword of Islam was blunted in India. This check provided provocation and enthusiasm to some Muslim conquerors and rulers to take to the task of proselytization with great zeal and earnestness. Their exertions and achievements find repeated mention in official and non-official chronicles and similar other works. Sometimes, besides broad facts, actual data and figures in this regard are also available. All this information is very helpful in estimating Muslim numbers as they grew from almost a cipher. ">>.

He went on to quote, "By the year 1000 of the Christian Era the extreme north-western parts of India, in the trans-Indus region, had become introduced to Islam. As early as C.E. 664, consequent upon an invasion of Kabul and its environs (which then formed part of India), by Abdur Rahman, a few thousand inhabitants are reported to have been converted to Islam" [source - Ferishtah, Tarikh-i-Ferishtah, Persian text, Nawal Kishore Press, Lucknow 1865, Vol.1, p.16.]>>, and "Subuktagin also fought against the Hindus and converted some of them. But all these events took place in the trans-Indus region, and we may, therefore, agree with Lanepoole in saying that in C.E. 1000 there were no Muslims in northern India east of the Indus."[source - Stanley Lane-Poole, Medieval India under Muhammadan Rule (London, 1926), p.1.}>>.

But conversion by the proverbial sword and the stealing of other's land was only to grow worse. " However, there were some small settlements of Muslims in Sind, Gujarat and the Malabar Coast. Parts of Sind were conquered by Muhammad bin Qasim Sakifi in C.E. 712. Whichever towns he took, like Alor, Nirun, Debul and Multan, in them he established mosques, appointed Muslim governors, and propagated the Muhammadan religion." [source - Chachnama, trs. in H.M. Elliot and J. Dowson, History of India as told by its own Historians, 8 Vols., London, 1867-77, (here after as E and D), Vol. I, p. 207.]>>. And to continue, "In Debul, for instance, he enslaved and converted some women and children, and left a contingent of 4,000 Muhammadans to garrison the place." [source - Al Biladuri, Futuh-ul-Buldan, trs. E and D, I, p.120]>>.

Forced conversions were to become a way of life and standard operating principle of (SOP) of Islam as shown by, " In Multan about 6,000 persons were made to accept Islam. Al Biladuri's narrative indicates that the people of Sawandari, Basmad, Kiraj, and Alor were converted in large numbers." [source - Al Biladuri, Futuh-ul-Buldan, trs. E and D, I, p.122 to 124]>>; another large forced conversion was, "by Muhammad bin Qasim Sakifi to Hajjaj also point to large number of conversions." [source - Chachnama, op. cit., pp. 163-64. Also pp. 205-07, 208]>>.

"Muhammad bin Qasim remained in Sind for a little more than three years." [source - Elliot's Appendix in E and D, I, p.439]>>. "After his recall not only the Arab power in Sind declined rapidly, but also most of the neo-converts returned to their former faith. Al Biladuri informs that 'in the days of Tamim, the Musalmans (had) retired from several parts of India... nor have they up to the present time (he wrote in the middle of the ninth century) advanced so far as in days gone by". When Hakim succeeded Tamim, "the people of India had returned to idolatry excepting those of Kassa, and the Musalmans had no place of security in which they could take refuge"." [source - Biladuri, op. cit., p.126, Also cf. Idrisi, E and D, I, Nuzhat-ul-Mushtaq]>>, "Sir Dension Ross also says that "after the recall of Muhammad bin Qasim, the Muslim retained some foothold on the west bank of the river Indus, but they were in such small numbers that they gradually merged into Hindu population. In Mansura (the Muslim capital of Sind) they actually adopted Hinduism." [ source - Dension Ross, Islam, p.18.]>>.

Conversions made at the point of the proverbial sword did not always hold as shown by, " In brief, because of the efforts of Muhammad bin Qasim and Caliph Umar II (C.E. 717-24) some Hindus in Sind had been converted to Islam, but by the time of Caliph Hashim (724-43), when Tamim was the governor of Sind, many of these Sindhi converts had returned to Hinduism. Those who continued to retain the new faith remained confined mostly to cities, particularly Multan. After Mahmud of Ghazni's attack on Multan their number seems to have gone up for, writing in the twelfth century, Al Idrisi says: "The greater part of the population (of Multan) is Musalman, so also the Judicial authority and civil administration." [ However, up to C.E. 1000 there were very few Muslims in Sind." [sources - Al Idrisi, p.83. and Elliot's Appendix, E and D, I, p.459]>>.

IT GETS WORSE - I.E., VIOLENCE AND FORCED CONVERSIONS BY MUSLIMS:

History shows that around the year 1,000 violence, pillaging, and conversions at the proverbial point of the sword, etc. my Muslims in India gets worse. " In the year C.E. 1000 the first attack of Mahmud of Ghazni was delivered. The region of Mahmud's activity extended from Peshawar to Kanauj in the east and from Peshawar to Anhilwara in the South. In this, wherever he went, he converted people to Islam. In his attack on Waihind (near Peshawar) in 1001-3, Mahmud is reported to have captured Jayapal and fifteen of his principal chiefs and relations some of whom, like Sukhpal, were made Musalmans. At Bhera all the inhabitants, except those who embraced Islam, were put to the sword. Since the whole town is reported to have been converted the number of converts may have been quite large. At Multan too conversions took place in large numbers for, writing about the campaign against Nawasa Shah (converted Sukhpal), Utbi says that this and the previous victory (at Multan) were 'witnesses to his exalted state of proselytism'" [sources - Kitab-i-Yamini, Eng. trs. of Utbi's work by James Reynolds, (London) 1858, pp. 451-52, 455, 460, 462-63 and Utbi, Tarikh-i-Yamini, E and D, II, pp.27, 30, 33, 40, 42, 43, 45, 49. Also Appendix in E and D, II, pp.434-78]>>. "In his campaign in the Kashmir Valley (1015) Mahmud 'converted many infidels to Muhammadanism, and having spread Islam in that country, returned to Ghazni'. In the latter campaigns, in Mathura, Baran and Kanauj, again, many conversions took place. While describing 'the conquest of Kanauj', Utbi sums up the situation thus: 'The Sultan levelled to the ground every fort..., and the inhabitants of them either accepted Islam, or took up arms against him." In short, those who submitted were also converted to Islam. In Baran (Bulandshahr) alone 10,000 persons were converted including the Raja. During his fourteenth invasion in C.E. 1023, Kirat, Nur, Lohkot and Lahore were attacked. The chief of Kirat accepted Islam, and many people followed his example. According to Nizamuddin Ahmad, 'Islam spread in this part of the country by the consent of the people and the influence of force'. Conversion of Hindus to Islam was one of the objects of Mahmud. Al Qazwini writes that when Mahmud went "to wage religious war against India, he made great efforts to capture and destroy Somnat, in the hope that the Hindus would then become Muhammadans" [source - Zakaria al Qazwini, Asar-ul-Bilad, E and D, I, p.98]>>; and "Sultan Mahmud was well-versed in the Quran and was considered its eminent interpreter."[source - C.E. Bosworth, The Ghaznavids (Edinburgh, 1963), p. 129. Utbi, Reynolds trs. op. cit., pp.438-39 and n.]>>; "He ardently desired to play the role of a true Muslim monarch and convert non-Muslims to his faith. Tarikh-i-Yamini, Rausat-us-Safa and Tarikh-i-Ferishtah, besides many other works, speak of construction of mosques and schools and appointment of preachers and teachers by Mahmud and his successor Masud." [source - Utbi, trs. Reynolds, op.cit., pp. 322-25, 462. Utbi, E and D, II, p.37 Ferishtah, op. cit., I, p.44.]>>; "Wherever Mahmud went, he insisted on the people to convert to Islam. Such was the insistence on the conversion of the vanquished Hindu princes that many rulers just fled before Mahmud even without giving a battle. "The object of Bhimpal in recommending the flight of Chand Rai was, that the Rai should not fall into the net of the Sultan, and thus be made a Musalman, as had happened to Bhimpal's uncles and relations, when they demanded quarter in their distress." [source - Utbi, E and D, II, p.49.]>>; " There is no doubt that the invasions of Mahmud of Ghazni brought good crop of converts, and a few more Muslims were added through the influence of Muslim Mashaikh and traders in Gujarat and Malabar. But if the example of Sind provides any precedent, it is possible that many Hindus forcibly converted to Islam during Mahmud's raids returned to their former faith. Very few Muslims were left in Sind after the decline of Arab rule. A local Karmatian Muhammadan dynasty was, however, ruling at Mansura and Multan. Mahmud of Ghazni destroyed it root and branch (1010) and Multan was deserted" [source - Ferishtah, op. cit., I, p.27, M. Habib, Sultan Mahmud of Ghaznin, Delhi reprint, 1951, p.34,]>>.

CONTINUED FORCED CONVERSIONS AND STEALING OF HINDU LANDS:

"About the end of the twelfth century, Muhammad Ghori established Muslim rule in India on a durable basis. When he captured Bhatinda in 1190-91, he placed in its command Qazi Ziyauddin with a contingent of 1200 horse." [source - Camb. Hist. India, III, p.40.]>>; "In 1192 he invaded Hindustan with an army of 120,000. A good number of his soldiers would have been killed in the sanguinary battle with Prithviraj. A major portion of the remainder would have stayed on in India under Qutbuddin Aibak, who must not have been left empty handed in an alien and hostile country." [source - Hasan Nizami says that 'the Sultan then returned to Ghazna... but the whole army remained... at the mauza of Indarpat'. (Taj-ul-Maasir, E and D, II, p.216). Surely Muhammad Ghori would not have gone back all alone.]>>.

It get's even worse, " Aibak entered upon a series of conquests. He despatched Ikhtiyaruddin Bakhtiyar Khalji to the East and himself captured Kol (modern Aligarh) in 1194. There "those of the garrison who were wise and acute were converted to Islam, but those who stood by their ancient faith were slain with the sword" [source - Taj-ul-Maasir, E and D, II, p.216]>>; "In 1195 when Raja Bhim of Gujarat was attacked, 20,000 prisoners were captured," [source - Ferishtah, I, p.62.]>>; "and in 1202 at Kalinjar 50,000," [source - Hasan Nizami, p.231. Also Ferishtah, I, p.53. Habibullah, The Foundation of Muslim Rule in India, (Allahabad, 1961), pp.69 and 334 (n.26), has missed to cite Hasan Nizami's assertion that 50,000 were enslaved.]>>; "and we may be sure that (as in the case of Arab conquest of Sind) all those who were made slaves were compelled to embrace the religion of the masters to whom they were allotted." [source - Titus. Islam in India and Pakistan (Calcutta, 1959), p.31.]>>; "Ferishtah specifically mentions that on the capture of Kalinjar "fifty thousand Kaniz va ghulam, having suffered slavery, were rewarded with the honour of Islam" [source - Ferishtah, I, p.63.]>>; "According to Ferishtah three to four hundred thousand Khokhars and Tirahias were also converted to Islam by Muhammad Ghori." [source - Ferishtah, I, pp.59-60.]>>.

MASSACREE OF BUDDHIST BY VIOLENCE LUSTFUL MEMBERS OF ISLAM:

Genocide and massacres and stealing of others lands and forced conversions continued as Islam's SOP "Ikhtiyaruddin Bakhtiyar Khalji's military exploits in the east also resulted in conversions to Islam. About the end of the twelfth or the beginning of the thirteenth century," [source & comments by S.K. Lal - The exact date of the raid is difficult to determine. Ishwari Prasad, Medieval India (Allahabad, Fourth Impression, 1940), p.138 places it" probably in 1197", Wolseley Haig (C.H.I., III,pp.45-46) a little earlier than this, and Habibullah, op. cit., pp.70 and 84, n. 78 in 1202-03.]>>; "he marched into Bihar and attacked the University centres of Nalanda, Vikramshila and Uddandapur, erecting a fortress at the site of Uddandapur or Odantapuri." [source - Indian Antiquary, IV, pp.366-67.]>>; "The Buddhist monks in these places were massacred and the common people, deprived of their priests and teachers, turned some to Brahmanism and some to Islam. Buddhism did not die out immediately or completely in Bihar." [source - Fuhrer, The Sharqi Architecture of Jaunpur, pp.70-73.]>>; "But Bakhtiyar's raid on Bihar did deliver a shattering blow to Buddhism and its lost followers were gained mainly by Islam. Muslim sway extended from Varanasi through the strip of Shahabad, Patna, Monghyr and Bhagalpur district," [source - Habibullah, op. cit., p.147]>>.

" During the time of Qutbuddin Aibak a large number of places were attacked and prisoners captured for which actual figures or written evidence are available. Figures of any conversions during campaigns to Kanauj, Varanasi (where the Muslims occupied "a thousand" temples)." [source - Ferishtah, I, p. 58]>>; "Ajmer (attacked thrice), Gujarat, Bayana and Gwalior, and the campaigns carried out right up to Bengal are not available. However, since the notices of medieval chroniclers are usually full of exaggeration where figures of the defeated or captured non-Muslims are concerned, it would be reasonable to take into consideration only those which are specifically mentioned, any exaggeration being rounded off by those which are not." [source - Indian Muslims, Who Are They by K.S. Lal]>>.
LOOTING, MURDER, AND FORCED CONVERSIONS CONTINUED:

Islam continued with its same SOP, " With this conceptual framework let us examine the structure and organization of Muslim community in Hindustan in the eleventh and twelfth centuries. Punjab saw the emergence of Muslims as a local community consequent to the invasions of Mahmud of Ghazni. But for a few immigrants in the shape of Ghaznavid officers and soldiers, the bulk of Muslims were converts from the indigenous Hindu population. Similar was the case in "pockets" of Sind, Gujarat, Bihar and Malabar. The process of their conversion was hurried. All of a sudden the invader appeared in a city or a region, and in the midst of loot and murder, a dazed, shocked and enslaved people were given the choice between Islam and death. Those who were converted were deprived of their scalp-lock or choti and, if they happened to be caste people, also their sacred thread." [source - Indian Muslims, Who Are They by K.S. Lal and his footnote comments were, "The exact date of the raid is difficult to determine. Ishwari Prasad, Medieval India (Allahabad, Fourth Impression, 1940), p.138 places it" probably in 1197", Wolseley Haig (C.H.I., III,pp.45-46) a little earlier than this, and Habibullah, op. cit., pp.70 and 84, n. 78 in 1202-03."]>>.

To this date Islam has NOT made amends, i.e., return of all looted goods and the descendents of ALL individuals whose ancestors were forcibly converted at the point of the proverbial sword. This would include most of the inhabitants of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and most Muslims in India and Kashmir.

ISLAM CONTINUES WITH THEIR VIOLENT WAYS AS SHOWN IN THAILAND TODAY:

Let's look at how Islam is using its usual SOP in three provinces of Thailand today, 2006. An article in the New York Times clearly shows that Islam has remained violent until today, "In Thailand, a New Model for Militants? ...

October 1, 2006
HAT YAI, Thailand - The bomb that exploded outside New Cherry Ancient Massage was among the most sinister kinds - a lethal sucker punch timed to detonate moments after two other blasts had lured onlookers into the streets of this tourist town.

The homemade device, hidden in a motorcycle parked outside the busy parlor, killed five people, including a Canadian teacher and three masseuses. All 30 surviving massage workers quit on the spot. Within days, the parents of the three dead women came to take their daughters' bodies home.

"One father asked, 'Why my child? She was a good girl,' " said New Cherry owner Boonchai Sangmankung. "And I couldn't answer him. I don't know myself. Why do the attacks continue? Why are more innocent people killed every day?"

Since 2004, militants in Thailand's predominantly Muslim south have waged a bloody separatist insurgency against the cultural elite of this largely Buddhist nation, targeting teachers, monks, community leaders and government officials. So far, 1,700 people have been killed, yet the campaign of almost-daily bombings, arson attacks, kidnappings and assassinations has gone largely unnoticed in a Western world fixated on higher-profile Islamic terrorism campaigns in Iraq and elsewhere.

"The violence in southern Thailand is quite significant compared to many other world conflicts today," said Panitan Wattanayagorn, a political scientist at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok. "The U.S. lost 3,000 soldiers in three years in Iraq. This death toll is not far behind." ...

Many Muslim residents still chafe over what they consider a century of abusive rule. But experts differ over the roots of the insurgency. Some say it's a battle over religious freedom, others say it's a fight for territory and self-rule. Still others say it's both...

In the first six months of 2006, two people died every day, on average: A Buddhist teacher was gunned down in front of his fourth-grade class by men dressed as students. A salesman was beheaded outside a crowded teashop. The owner of an elephant troupe was shot seven times by assailants who had lined up with children to buy tickets for a show.

In August, 22 small bombs exploded nearly simultaneously in banks throughout southern Yala province, killing one person and bringing commerce to a standstill. Two months earlier, 50 bombs went off in a single day at government offices and police stations.

Last year, 15 militants stormed a Buddhist temple and hacked two monks to death before setting fire to their bodies. Thai officials believe that 30,000 Buddhists have fled the south since the attack. Insurgents also have targeted fellow Muslims suspected of conspiring with a military known for its brutality in dealing with the Islamic militants...[source - By John M. Glionna, Times Staff Writer on 10/01/2006]>>.

CONCLUSION:

First, before detail, let's look at Swami Vivekananda said which is as true today as when he said it in 1893.

"Sectarianism, bigotry, and its horrible descendant, fanaticism, have long possessed this beautiful earth. They have filled the earth with violence, drenched it often and often with human blood, destroyed civilization, and sent whole nations to despair. Had it not been for these horrible demons, human society would be far more advanced than it is now." [source - Swami Vivekananda (1893)]>>.

Swami Vivekananda clearly saw the damage being done by false religion and stated it in a few well used words.

Today we still see the earth being drenched in violence by members of false religion with their fanaticism and sectarianism thus showing Swami Vivekanada right on the mark with respect what he said. Let's look at Islam once more to see the modern playout of the terrible fruits of one false religion.

The Weekend Australian (newspaper) had to say on the matter,

Quote:
" Did you know that 90-95% of the conflicts in the world today are Muslims fighting non-muslims or each other?
Islam is intolerant of other religions, so much so that Christians in Nigeria, Sudan and middle eastern countries are killed for practicing their religion. Muslims are also responsible for burning down their churches. Sydney has recently seen an attack on four churches for similar reasons. (December 16, 2005) How can we tolerate such intolerance?" [source - The Weekend Australian, November 26-27, 2005]



Says it all, so clearly Islam should be redefined as something other than a religion. So it is very necessary that this greed and hate be addressed. Remember, Matthew 5:9, "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).

Let's consider the facts as continually revealed in the world news that shows if any thing that the newspaper editor may have been a little low when he said 95 percent of the violence in the world was caused by Muslims. Here are some instances of terrorism by just one group of members of Islam:

• al-Qaeda attacked Business target (Sept. 11, 2001, United States)
• al-Qaeda attacked Government target (Sept. 11, 2001, United States)
• al-Qaeda attacked Government target (Sept. 11, 2001, United States)
• Hezbollah and al-Qaeda attacked Military target (Nov. 13, 1995, Saudi Arabia)
• al-Qaeda attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (Apr. 11, 2002, Tunisia)
• al-Qaeda attacked Diplomatic target (Aug. 7, 1998, Kenya)
• al-Qaeda attacked Diplomatic target (Aug. 7, 1998, Tanzania)
• al-Qaeda attacked Tourists target (Nov. 28, 2002, Kenya)
• al-Qaeda attacked Airports & Airlines target (Nov. 28, 2002, Kenya)
• al-Qaeda attacked Maritime target (Oct. 12, 2000, Yemen)
• al-Qaeda attacked Airports & Airlines target (Aug. 20, 2003, Afghanistan)
• al-Qaeda attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Nov. 8, 2003, Saudi Arabia)
• al-Qaeda attacked Diplomatic target (Nov. 20, 2003, Turkey)
• al-Qaeda attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (Nov. 15, 2003, Turkey)
• al-Qaeda attacked Business target (Aug. 5, 2003, Indonesia)
• al-Qaeda attacked Diplomatic target (Apr. 27, 2004, Syria)
• al-Qaeda attacked Government target (Oct. 12, 2003, Iraq)
• al-Qaeda attacked Government target (May 30, 2004, Saudi Arabia)
• al-Qaeda attacked Other target (June 8, 2004, Saudi Arabia)
• al-Qaeda attacked Other target (June 13, 2004, Saudi Arabia)
• al-Qaeda attacked Private Citizens & Property target (June 20, 2004, Saudi Arabia)
• al-Qaeda attacked Business target (Dec. 17, 2003, Iraq)
• al-Qaeda attacked Other target (May 12, 2003, Saudi Arabia)
• al-Qaeda attacked Other target (May 12, 2003, Saudi Arabia)
• al-Qaeda attacked Other target (May 12, 2003, Saudi Arabia)
• al-Qaeda attacked Business target (May 12, 2003, Saudi Arabia)
• al-Qaeda attacked Business target (Oct. 28, 2004, Pakistan)
• al-Qaeda attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (June 1, 2005, Afghanistan)
• al-Qaeda attacked Utilities target (Feb. 24, 2006, Saudi Arabia)
• al-Qaeda attacked Government target (Feb. 3, 2006, Bangladesh)
• al-Qaeda attacked Government target (Feb. 3, 2006, Bangladesh)
• Taliban and al-Qaeda attacked Private Citizens & Property target (July 23, 2006, Afghanistan)

What more need be said as it should be clear to all open minded thinking individuals that this is a religion that began violently and remained the same.


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India Taken by the Sword by Muslims From 10 Century On:

INTRODUCTION:

Some individuals that wish to hide the true reality of history say, " Islam was not spread by the "sword" in the Asian provinces. It was through trade and therefore interaction(s) that led many to accept Islam in Indonesia and Malaysia and other nations in that region. There was no campaign. ">>, and even said, " The Jizyah could be reduced and there is no fixed rate. Which means that the past case in Syria under the Ummayyads was done incorrectly. Any past injustices because of the misapplication of Jizyah was done out of ignorance and without proper knowledge and even open injustice. The taxes are NOT supposed to oppress anyone. There is an hadith(s) on the issue of not allowing the taxes to oppress the citizens of the state. ">>. However, this individual did NOT mention that Syria was taken by force and its aboriginal inhabitants were taxed by the Muslim invaders who had no legitimate right to be there and that the aboriginal inhabitants were forced by the proverbial sword to convert to Islam.

But individuals like this are just obfuscating the issue either as a cover-up and/or denial of the truth, but let's look briefly at the history of the Muslim conquest of India and attempts to convert Hindus either by the proverbial sword or by economic pressure.

MUSLIM SUBJECTION OF INDIA FROM THE 10 CENTURY ON:

Let's first look at what the "History of the Indian Subcontinent" says on the Muslim invasion, "Yet, a careful perusal of the surviving record appears to indicate a picture that is far more complicated and far less flattering than implied by the court chroniclers of Ghouri and Ghaznavi (or by their present-day admirers). Just as official histories of the invasion of Sindh have been unduly romanticized (and sanitized so as to exclude uncomfortable facts and analysis), so too have been the conquests of Punjab by the Central Asian Turks.
While there is no doubt that both Ghouri and Ghaznavi possessed remarkable military skills and intellect, and fought with great shrewdness, persistence and tenacity, their achievements in other domains are somewhat more questionable. And the price of their military victories is not to be so easily dismissed. It is especially important to note that the impact of their military campaigns was felt very differently by different sections of the North Indian population.

First, it should be noted that there is considerable variance of opinion as to the motives of Ghouri and Ghaznavi as they attempted to overrun Northern India from their Turkic capitals in what is now Afghanistan. Whereas Utbi, Ghaznavi's court historian looked upon his military expeditions as "holy wars" for the 'extirpation of idolatry' and 'propagation of Islam', it is curious that even Multan (which had already come under Islamic influence) was not spared, and was also repeatedly attacked. If religious fervor were indeed a primary motive for the attacks, then it must be stated that the issue was more the assertion of Sunnism over the Shia and Ismaeli currents that had come to prevail in early 11th C Multan and Sindh. In any case, Indian historians such as Mohammad Habib are inclined to discount the 'Jehadi' dimension, and see economic and political factors to be of greater significance." [source - History of the Indian Subcontinent ]>>.

And, let's look at what an encyclopedia says on the Muslim conquest of the Indian sub-continent, "Like other sedentary societies in history, the Indian sub-continent has been attacked by nomadic tribes throughout its long history. In evaluating the impact of Islam on the sub-continent, one must also note that the sub-continent was a frequent target of Central Asian tribes who arrived from the North West. With the fall of the Sassanids and the arrival of the Caliphate's domination of the region these tribes began to contest with the new power and were subsequently integrated into it giving rise to Muslim dynasties of Central Asian heritage, generally the Turks. In that sense, the Muslim invasions of the 10th century onwards were not dissimilar to those of the earlier invasions in the History of Central Asia during the 1st through to the 6th century. What does however, make the Muslim invasions different is that unlike the preceding invaders who assimilated into the prevalent social system, the Muslim conquerors retained their Islamic identity and created new legal and administrative systems that challenged and usually superseded the existing systems of social conduct and ethics. They also introduced new cultural mores that in some ways were very different from the existing cultural codes. While this was often a source of friction and conflict, it should also be noted that there were also Muslim rulers who in much of their secular practice absorbed or accommodated local traditions.

The first incursion by the new Muslim successor states of the Persian empire occurred around 664 CE during the Umayyad Caliphate, led by Mohalib towards Multan in Southern Punjab, in modern day Pakistan. Mohalib's expeditions were not aimed at conquest, though they penetrated only as far as the capital of the Maili, he returned with wealth and prisoners of war. This was an Arab incursion and part of the early Umayyad push onwards from the Islamic conquest of Persia into Central Asia, and within the limits of the eastern borders of previous Persian empires. The last Arab push in the region would be towards the end of Ummayyad reign under Muhammad bin Qasim, after whom it would only be resumed under the "Turk" dynasties with more local capitals, who supplanted the Caliphate and expanded their domains both northwards and eastwards.

It took several centuries for Islam to spread across India and how it did so is a topic of intense debate. Some quarters hold that Hindus were forcibly converted to Islam by laws favoring Muslim citizens, and the threat of naked force: the "Conversion by the Sword Theory." Others hold that it occurred through inter-marriage, conversions, economic integration, to escape caste structures or at the hands of Sufi preachers. ..

One estimate of the number of people killed, based on the Muslim chronicles and demographic calculations was done by K.S. Lal in his book Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India that between 1000 CE and 1500 CE, the population of Hindus decreased by 80 million (implying that Muslims killed 80 million Hindus). His work has come under criticism for both its accuracy as well as his agenda.[[probably the greatest Genocide of all history was committed by Muslim murders of Hindus]].

Not all Muslim invaders were simply raiders. Later rulers fought on to win kingdoms and stayed to create new ruling dynasties. The practices of these new rulers and their subsequent heirs (some of whom were borne of Hindu wives) varied considerably. While some were uniformly hated, others developed a popular following. According to the memoirs of Ibn Batuta who travelled through Delhi in the 14th century, one of the previous sultans had been especially brutal and was deeply hated by Delhi's population. His memoirs also indicate that Muslims from the Arab world, from Persia and Turkey were often favored with important posts at the royal courts suggesting that locals may have played a somewhat subordinate role in the Delhi administration. The term "Turk" was commonly used to refer to their higher social status. S.A.A. Rizvi (The Wonder That Was India - II), however points to Muhammad bin Tughlaq as not only encouraging locals but promoting artisan groups such as cooks, barbers and gardeners to high administrative posts. In his reign, it is likely that conversions to Islam took place as a means of seeking greater social mobility and improved social standing." [source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>.

And, "A Brief History of the Early Origins of the Conflict Between Islam and India" says, "One of the most revealing areas of early Islamic history was its actions in present-day India. The contrast of Indic religions like Buddhism and Hinduism with Islam during the Muslim expansion into South Asia in the 10th to 12th centuries reveals the foundations of conflicts we see played out around the world today, namely between Pakistan and India. Understanding the past is the first step to solving the issues the world faces today. The early entrance of Islam into South Asia reveals the source of the tensions facing Pakistan and India today. Although Pakistan would not emerge as a nation until centuries later with the exit of the British from India, it is important to see that that conflict was not created in a void, but was rather a direct continuation of ancient, but extremely influential Islamic empirical past.
Indic religions by nature have nothing to do with laws or the state, while in Islam, the two cannot be separated. Muslims will not follow any other system than that of Allah, and anytime man's law is considered sovereign, it becomes a denial of God. These fundamental differences between the two religions had tremendous implications for the ancient conflict between the Islamic Empire and India that began as early as the 10th century BCE and ended only with colonization by the British. It is through the eyes of these distinct religious differences that the nature and processes of both distinct sides can be understood. The nature of early Islamic expansion into India can be seen as a continuation of the power and hegemony it held since the time of the Prophet Muhammad. The process of Islamic expansion into India up to the formation of the Delhi Sultanate can best be described simply as colonialism. In India at the time of Islamic expansion, the nature of political formation at the time was based on its civil society, and as a direct result of this Indian direct rule, the Islamic Empire was at the same time aided and hindered in its progress into South Asia.
Both the nature and process of Islamic expansion are constantly intertwined, and must be analyzed as such. Muslims did not immerse themselves in the culture or the languages of the peoples that they conquered and brought into their empire. The populace was to be simply used as a means for financing the empire. Taxation, not identification, was the primary goal. This can be seen early in the development of the Islamic Empire. The fact that Islam was founded as a monotheistic religion implies that any other culture or religion is consequently wrong in their own beliefs. There was no room for an untaxed tolerance of other religions- tolerance came at a certain price. In addition, the initial function of the Caliph was to spread Islam to the rest of the world. In that there was only one universal law, it was necessary to take over all other governments and states. Nothing could be more against Islam than people across the world living under other sets of laws that were not from the one and only God. It was from this that the idea of Jihad emerged, and still can be seen today. Up until this time, power was pursued in polities, but with Jihad, it was the spread of the one truth of Islam that was pursued. Religion and war come together in the birth of Islam, and nomadic Bedouins begin to rule nations.

Looking at the early people of the Bedouin nomads can also do much to explain the nature and process of Islamic expansion into India. Bedouins did not have enough property to collect any taxes, nor was there agriculture. As a result, there was no division of labor or social stratification. As a result of this, there was no idea of a state or a government. The Prophet Muhammad would bring together the ideas of state, politics, law, and religion when he arrived on the scene. However, the Bedouins still did not have a form of revenue collection, and as a result it became clear that there was a need for a state to exist. Now the Muslims raided the Byzantine and Greek Empires with ferocity, bringing back vast sums of wealth for their fledgling state. They also turned and took over states that already existed, such as the Persia and Syria. The concept of another nation to Muslims was always something that was external- to be taken over from the outside of Islamic society, never integrated. For example, when Syria was conquered, they remained on the outside, setting up "Garrison Cities" (forts) to collect taxes. The Muslims left the Syrian bureaucracy entirely alone, content to simply collect revenue which they would send off to Medina. In the beginning, Muslims were not initially interested in converting the populations that they conquered. They could not tax converted populations at the rates that they could tax the infidel. Islam continued to take over nations, but was not accountable at all to the people they conquered. Revolts occurred all over the Empire at various times, showing that this was indeed not an integrated society, but rather one that was to collect taxes alone. This nature and process defined Islamic expansion into India.[source - A Brief History of the Early Origins of the Conflict Between Islam and India by David Clem]

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A Concise History of India by Barbara D. Metcalf and Thomas R. Metcalf

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Only a False Religion Commits Genocide Against Others:

INTRODUCTION:

There are over 33,000 religions in the world and about 22,000 claim to be Christian. Now what is a religion? It is in its pure form a belief in and reverence for a supernatural power and/or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe, or a personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship. [reference - The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.]

A false religion would be one that has departed from a pure belief in and reverence for a supernatural power and/or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe, or a personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship. Most religions are false religions since they have left the pure form and taken on greed and a lust for power and worldly goals. Now just look around you, are you not distressed about the many crimes committed in the name of religion? Doesn't are the terrorism, stupid warfare, and corruption perpetrated by those groups and individuals who claim to serve God (YHWH), creator of all there is, offend your sense of justice? Now the question is why is religion at the root of most of these problems?

One of the most heinous if not the most heinous crimes is of course genocide which is defined as, "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) Article 2 as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." [source - "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2, and reference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>.

"Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups" [source -
Raphael Lemkin, Axis Rule in Occupied Europe (Wash., D.C.: Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, 1944), p. 79]>>.

Therefore, it should be obvious to any open minded individual that any religion that commits genocide's is simply put a false religion. Now let's look at the two largest religions on earth and see that they are really false religions as both have committed genocide on a large scale in the name of religion.

BRIEF OVERVIEW:

Both Catholicism and Islam have committed genocide's so both are false religions. Let's look at the facts in brief:

"The Cathers found widespread popularity among peasants and artisans. They respected women, who played a major role in the movement. Alarmed at the success of Catharism, the church founded the Inquisition and launched the Albigensian Crusade in the thirteenth century to exterminate them." [source -http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5163 ]>>. So Catholicism is a false religion, and more detail will be presented to prove this statement.

"Historian Will Durant wrote in The Story of Civilization (1972) that the Muslim conquest of India was "probably the bloodiest story in history." The number of people killed is estimated based on the Muslim chronicles and demographic calculations. K.S. Lal estimated in his book The Growth of Muslim Population in India that between 1000 CE and 1500 CE, the population of Hindus decreased by 80 million. The legacy of Islamic conquest of South Asia is a hotly debated issue even today." [sources - "The Story of Civilization - 1972 - by Will Durant, and "The Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India" by India's greatest historian, K.S. Lal]>>. So Islam is a false religion, and more detail will be presented to prove this statement.

GENOCIDE OF THE CATHERS BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH - THE FACTS:

Let's look at the facts, the reality, in keeping with John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).

"Catharism was a religious movement with dualist Christian and Gnostic elements that appeared in the Languedoc in the eleventh century and flourished in the 12th century. It was condemned by the contemporary Roman Catholic Church either as a heretical Christian sect or sometimes as a non-Christian religion. It existed throughout much of Western Europe, but its focus was in Languedoc and surrounding areas - Occitania - what is now southern France.
The name Cathar most likely originated from Greek ?a?a???, "pure ones". One of its first recorded uses is Eckbert von Schönau, who wrote (in Latin) on heretics from Cologne in 1181: Hos nostra germania catharos appellat ("In Germany we call these people Cathars").

The Cathars were also sometimes referred to as the Albigensians. This name originates from the end of the 12th century, and was used by the chronicler Geoffroy du Breuil of Vigeois in 1181. The name refers to the town of Albi (the ancient Albiga) northeast of Toulouse. The designation is misleading (although Albi was one among several early focal points of Catharism): the movement had no centre and is known to have flourished in areas that are now parts of Italy, Germany, Northern France and Spain as well as the Languedoc." .[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]

The churches' genocide against the Cathars from start to finish, "In 1147, Pope Eugene III sent a legate to the affected district in order to arrest the progress of the Cathars. The few isolated successes of Bernard of Clairvaux could not obscure the poor results of this mission, which clearly showed the power of the sect in the Languedoc at that period. The missions of Cardinal Peter of St. Chrysogonus to Toulouse and the Toulousain in 1178, and of Henry, cardinal-bishop of Albano, in 1180-1181, obtained merely momentary successes. Henry of Albano's armed expedition, which took the stronghold at Lavaur, did not extinguish the movement.

Decisions of Catholic Church councils against the Cathars at this period - in particular, those of the Council of Tours (1163) and of the Third Council of the Lateran (1179) - had scarcely more effect. By the time Pope Innocent III came to power in 1198, he had resolved to suppress the Cathars.

Saint Dominic encountered the Cathars in 1203 while travelling, and argued with them, concluding that only preachers who displayed real sanctity, humility and asceticism could win over convinced Cathar believers. His conviction led eventually to the establishment of the Dominican Order in 1216. The order was to live up to the terms of his famous rebuke, "Zeal must be met by zeal, humility by humility, false sanctity by real sanctity, preaching falsehood by preaching truth."

At first Pope Innocent III tried pacific conversion, and sent a number of legates into the affected regions. They had to contend not only with the Cathars, the nobles who protected them, and the people who venerated them, but also with the bishops of the district, who rejected the extraordinary authority which the Pope had conferred upon his legates. In 1204, Innocent III suspended the authority of certain bishops in the south of France; in 1205 he appointed a new and vigorous bishop of Toulouse, the former troubadour Foulques. In 1206 Diego of Osma and his canon, the future Saint Dominic, began a programme of conversion in Languedoc; as part of this, Catholic-Cathar public debates were held at Verfeil, Servian, Pamiers, Montréal and elsewhere.

In January 1208 the papal legate, Pierre de Castelnau was sent to meet the ruler of the area, Count Raymond VI of Toulouse. Known for excommunicating noblemen who protected the Cathars, Pierre de Castelnau excommunicated Raymond as an abettor of heresy. Pierre was murdered near Saint Gilles Abbey in 1208 on his way back to Rome, allegedly by a knight in the service of Count Raymond. As soon as he heard of the murder, the Pope ordered his legates to preach a Crusade against the Cathars. The Pope then called a formal crusade, appointing a series of leaders to head the assault. There followed over forty years of war against the Cathars and their allies in the Languedoc. See Albigensian Crusade.[[the start of the henious genocide of the Roman Catholic church against the Cathars by order of Pope Innocent III]].

This war threw the whole of the nobility of the north of France against that of the south, possibly instigated by a papal decree stating that all land owned by Cathars could be confiscated at will. As the area was full of Cathar sympathisers, this made the entire area a target for French nobles looking to gain new lands. The French barons of the north flocked south to do battle for the Church.

The crusader army came under the command, both spiritual and military, of the papal legate Arnaud-Amaury, Abbot of Cîteaux. In the first significant engagement of the war, the town of Béziers was taken on 22 July 1209. Arnaud, the Cistercian abbot-commander is said to have been asked how to tell Cathar from Catholic. His reply, recorded by a fellow Cistercian, was "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." - "Kill them all, the Lord will recognise His own"[1]. The doors of the church of St Mary Magdalene were broken down and the occupants slaughtered. 7,000 people died there including women and children. Elsewhere in the town many more thousands were mutilated and killed. Prisoners were blinded, dragged behind horses, and used for target practice. The town was razed. Arnaud, the abbot-commander, wrote to his master, the Pope: "Today your Holiness, twenty thousand citizens were put to the sword, regardless of rank, age, or sex." [2]. The population of Béziers was then probably no more than 15,000 but with local refugees seeking shelter within the city walls, the number claimed, 20,000, is possible.

It was after the success of the siege of Carcassonne which followed the massacre at Beziers, that Simon de Montfort was appointed to lead the Crusader army. Prominent opponents of the Crusaders were Raymond-Roger de Trencavel, viscount of Carcassonne, and his feudal overlord Peter II, the king of Aragon, who owned fiefdoms and had other vassals in the area. Peter died fighting against the crusade on September 12, 1213 at the Battle of Muret.

The war ended in the Treaty of Paris (1229), by which the king of France dispossessed the house of Toulouse of the greater part of its fiefs, and that of the Trencavels (Viscounts of Béziers and Carcassonne) of the whole of their fiefs. The independence of the princes of the Languedoc was at an end. But in spite of the wholesale massacre of Cathars during the war, Catharism was not extinguished.

In 1215, the bishops of the Catholic Church met at the Fourth Council of the Lateran under Pope Innocent. One of the key goals of the council was to combat heresy.

The Inquisition was established in 1229 to root out the Cathars. Operating in the south at Toulouse, Albi, Carcassonne and other towns during the whole of the 13th century, and a great part of the 14th, it succeeded in extirpating the movement. From May 1243 to March 1244, the Cathar fortress of Montségur was besieged by the troops of the seneschal of Carcassonne and the archbishop of Narbonne. On March 16, 1244 a large and symbolically important massacre took place, where over 200 Cathar perfects were thrown into an enormous fire at the prat des cramats near the foot of the castle. Moreover, the church decreed severe chastisement against all laymen suspected of sympathy with Cathars (Council of Narbonne, 1235; see the Bulla of Innocent IV Ad exstirpanda, 1252)." .[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and reference, "Foxe's Book of Martyrs" by Foxe, a famous classic religious history book]

So as shown, the Roman Catholic church engaged in a henious genocide clearly showing them to be a false religion that ignored the basic human right of freedom of conscience and belief. They claim to believe in the Bible and God's (YHWH's) Son, Jesus (Yeshua), but by their wrong actions clearly show they are NOT in agreement with the Bible which clearly says at 1 John 4:20, "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" (AV). In fact, Jesus (Yeshua), the Isa, plainly said at Matthew 5:44, "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" (AV).

LARGEST GENOCIDE OF ALL HISTORY BY THE MUSLIMS - THE FACTS:

Let's look at the facts, the reality, in keeping with John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (AV).

Now here are the facts, the reality, of the murder, genocide of over 80 million endividuals in India by Muslims, "With the invasion of India by Mahmud Ghazni about 1000 A.D., began the Muslim invasions into the Indian subcontinent and they lasted for several centuries. The Muslim invasions continued even when the Muslims were ruling India, like the invasion of the Mongols during the reign of the Khiljis or the invasion of the Mughals in the early sixteenth Century when the Lodis were ruling Delhi. The last notable invasion of the Muslims from outside was the invasion of Nadir Shah in 1739, during which he unleashed a great horror on the native population.

During these seven hundred years of Muslim invasions and their conquest and rule of India, the Hindus were the greatest sufferers. It is difficult to estimate the number of Hindus who lost their lives during these campaigns, the number of Hindus who lost their lives in the religious persecution perpetrated on the native population by the Muslim rulers or the number of Hindus who were forcibly converted to Islam.

According to Prof. K.S. Lal, the author of the Growth of Muslim population in India, the Hindu population decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD, the year Mahmud Ghazni invaded India and 1525 AD, a year before the battle of Panipat.

One can safely add another 20 million Hindus to this list to account for the number that were killed during the Mughal rule or the rule of the Muslim rulers in the Deccan plateau. By all known accounts of world history, as pointed out by Koenard Elst in his book the Negationism in India, destruction of about 100 million hindus is perhaps the biggest holocaust in the whole world history." [source - The biggest holocaust in world history by Jayaram V]>>. Clearly showing that the Muslims were responsible for the greatest genocide in all of human history, but let's look at more facts with respect this crime against humanity.

Let's look at a quote from Chapter 5 of a history book by India's greatest historian, K.S. Lal, see information about him in the footnote at end of quote, "Factors Contributing to the Growth of Muslim Population, Conversions -
Islam has spread in many parts of the world through wars and campaigns[[Its spread was not peaceful but by the proverbial sword]]. In the medieval Indian chronicles the sovereign is always mentioned as 'the king of Islam', the territories of his empire are referred to as the 'land of Islam', its armies as 'soldiers of Islam', and its religious and Judicial head as 'Shaikh-ul-Islam'. The monarch was committed to make Islam the true basis of private and public life through the enforcement of the Shariat and to convert the people to the "true faith". In India the Muslim rulers' keenness to obtain converts in war is vouched by many chroniclers. The Tarikh-i-Muhammadi gives a clear idea of the psychology of the rulers in this regard. Its author was a contemporary of Sultan Nasiruddin Mahmud, the son of Firoz Tughlaq. He says that while fighting Rai Subir (Sumer) in the vicinity of Iraj, the Sultan thought: 'If I will give orders to the army to fight (outright), they will not leave even a trace of the Kafirs [[none Muslims]] in the region, but if I shall advance slowly, then probably these people will agree to embrace Islam."3

What professor Mohammad Habib writes concerning the Mongol applies equally to Turkish expeditions. "In 1330 the country was invaded by the Mongols who indulged in arson, rape and murder throughout the Valley (of Kashmir). The king and the Brahmans fled away but among the inhabitants who remained... Muslim ways of life were gradually adopted by the people as the only alternative..."4 Thus warfare brought captives, and captives were made Musalmans. Such was not the situation only in the North; in South also such methods of conversion prevailed, especially during wars between Bahmani and Vijayanagar kingdoms. Throughout the medieval period such wars were common, and forcible conversions [[Conversions by the proverbial sword.]] helped in the rapid growth of Muslim population.

The rulers used force and persuasion in equal measure. Their resources were great. They could give jobs, honours, and titles and many other economic concessions and status benefits as inducements to conversion, and many people would have taken advantage of these facilities. We have referred to Mubarak Khalji's encouragement to Hindus to accept Islam by presenting the convert with a robe and a gold ornament. People used to be converted in this fashion right up to the reign of Aurangzeb and perhaps even thereafter. There were other methods too.

The Banshasmriti of Satya Krishna Biswas states that in Bengal the Rajas and Zamindars who could not deposit land revenue by a certain date had to convert to Muhammadanism. The Banshasmriti narrates an isolated incident, but as this regulation of the thirteenth century had been revived by Murshid Quli Khan, or had continued right up to his times, many local Rajas and Zamindars would have been converted in the course of four centuries, for full payment of land tax by due date was not always possible. Firoz Tughlaq (1351-88) instructed his revenue collectors to convert Hindus to Islam.5 He rescinded the Jiziyah to lure people to become Muhammadans, and this measure brought large additions to Muslim population. In his Fatuhat-i-Firoz Shahi, Sultan Firoz Tughlaq candidly writes: "I encouraged my infidel subjects to embrace the religion of the prophet and I proclaimed that everyone who repeated the Kalima of tauhid and became Musalman should be exempt from Jiziyah... Information of this came to the ears of the people at large, and great number of Hindus presented themselves, and were admitted to the honour of Islam. Thus they came forward day by day from every quarter, go on coming to this day, and adopting the faith, are exonerated from the Jiziyah, and are favoured with Khilats and presents."6 [[Taxed enslaved subjects that would NOT convert to try and force their conversion; i.e., no affording of the basic human right of freedom of conscience]]. [source - Studies in Medieval Indian History, pp.171-172 by K.S. Lal]>>.

Footnotes:

Direct footnotes to items in the quote:
1 Titus, op. cit., p.32.
2 Tara chand, op. cit., p.33.
3 Muhammad Bihamid Khan!, Tarikh-i-Muhammadi, British Museum Ms. 440 b, trans. into Hindi by A.A. Rizvi in Uttar Timur Kalin Bharat, Pt. II (Aligarh, 1959), p.30.
4 Mohammad Habib, Some Aspects of the Foundation of the Delhi Sultanate, op. cit., p.20
5 Afif, op. cit., pp.268-269.
Also Ishwari Prasad, Qaraunah Turks, op. cit., p.331.
6 Fatuhat-i-Firoz Shahi, trs. in E and D, III, p.368. Also Hindi trs. Rizvi, Tughlaq Kalin Bharat, II, (Aligarh, 1957), p.337.

Indirect footnotes to items for those wanting to know more, but not in the quote:
7 T.W. Arnold, The Preaching of Islam, op. cit., pp.264 ff.
8 Titus, op. cit., Chapter III entitled "Peaceful Penetration", pp.36-53. Aziz Ahmad, Studies in Islamic Culture, pp.81-84. Mujeeb, op. cit., p.22.
9 K.M. Ashraf Memorial Lecture, op. cit., pp.18-19. Also P.M. Currie, Cult of Muin-al-din Chishti of Ajmer (Oxford, Delhi, 1989)
10 S.A.A. Rizvi, Muslim Revivalist Movements in Northern India in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries (Agra University, 1965), p.18.
11 Titus, op. cit., p.42.
12 Ibid., p.44.
13 Rizvi, op. cit., p.20., P.M. Currie, The Shrine and Cult of Muin-d-din-Chishti of Ajmer (OUP, 1989), pp.20-96, esp. pp.29-30.
14 Rizvi, op. cit., p.15.
15 Ferishtah, I, pp.66-67.
16 Mahdi Husain, Tughlaq Dynasty, pp.149-50, 160 and also p. 174 and n.2-3 Also see Kirmani, Siyar-ul-Auliya, p.228.
Footnote on K.S. Lal as many of other nations other than India may not know about him:

K.S. Lal is an Indian historian. He wrote many historical books, mainly on medieval India. Many of his books, such as History of the Khaljis and Twilight of the Sultanate, are regarded as standard works.

He obtained his Master's degree in 1941 at the University of Allahabad. In 1945 he obtained his D.Phil. with a dissertation on the history of the Khaljis. This dissertation formed the basis for his book History of the Khaljis.
From 1945 to 1963 he taught at Government Colleges in Madhya Pradesh. After 1963, he was a professor at the University of Delhi in Medieval Indian history.
He was fluent in Persian, Old Persian, Urdu and other languages.

His works;
The Legacy of Muslim Rule in India. New Delhi, Aditya Prakashan, 1992. [1] (ISBN 81851790304, ISBN 81-85689-03-2, ISBN 81-85689-03-2)
History of the Khaljis (1950, 1967, 1980) Twilight of the Sultanate (1963, 1980)
Studies in Asian History (edited - 1969)
Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India (1973)
Early Muslims in India (1984)
The Mughal Harem (1988) ISBN 81-85179-03-4 Indian Muslims: Who are they (1990) [2] ISBN 81-85990-10-7 Muslim Slave System in Medieval India (1994) [3] ISBN 81-85689-67-9
Historical essays Theory and Practice of Muslim State in India (1999) ISBN 81-86471-72-3
Growth of Scheduled Tribes and Castes in Medieval India (1995)
Studies in Asian History: Proceedings of the Asian History Congress, 1961

Now let's look at what others had to say about this greatest of all genocides:

Historian Will Durant wrote his book The Story of Civilization:, "The Mohammadan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precarious thing, whose delicate complex of order and liberty, culture and peace may at any time be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within." [source - "The Story of Civilization, " by Will Durant the great American historian].

French historian Alain Danielou wrote in his book Histoire de l'Inde:, "From the moment when the Muslims arrive in India, the history of India does not have any more great interest. It is long and monotonous series of murder, massacres, spoilations, destruction." [source - "Histoire de l'Inde," by Alain Danielou, great French historian]>>.

Hindu sage Padmanabha described in his KanhaDade Prabandha in 1456 AD the story of the Islamic invasion of Gujarat of 1298 AD:, "The conquering army burnt villages, devastated the land, plundered people's wealth, took Brahmins ( priestly hindu class ) and children and women of all classes captive, flogged with thongs of raw hide, carried a moving prison with it, and converted the prisoners into obsequious slaves.

Tarikh-i-Yamini of Utbi the sultan's secretary wrote in the 11th century:The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously at Thanesar that the stream was discoloured, notwithstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it. The Sultan returned with plunder which is impossible to count." [source - "the story of the Islamic invasion of Gujarat of 1298 AD:, " (English translation), by Padmanabha, a famous Hindu of the 15 th. Century].

As shown, Islam engaged in a henious genocide clearly showing them to be a false religion that ignored the basic human right of freedom of conscience and belief, and even went so far as putting a 'head tax" on those they did not murder who continued to practice their own religion to exert pressure to convert. So we can see they no more believe in freedom of conscience and religious freedom than Roman Catholism.

CONCLUSION:

First, before detail, let's look at Swami Vivekananda said which is as true today as when he said it in 1893.

"Sectarianism, bigotry, and its horrible descendant, fanaticism, have long possessed this beautiful earth. They have filled the earth with violence, drenched it often and often with human blood, destroyed civilization, and sent whole nations to despair. Had it not been for these horrible demons, human society would be far more advanced than it is now." [source - Swami Vivekananda (1893)]>>.

Swami Vivekananda clearly saw the damage being done by false religion and stated it in a few well used words.

Today we still see the earth being drenched in violence by members of false religion with their fanaticism and sectarianism thus showing Swami Vivekanada right on the mark with respect what he said. Let's look at Islam once more to see the modern playout of the terrible fruits of one false religion.

The Weekend Australian (newspaper) had to say on the matter,

" Did you know that 90-95% of the conflicts in the world today are Muslims fighting non-muslims or each other?
Islam is intolerant of other religions, so much so that Christians in Nigeria, Sudan and middle eastern countries are killed for practicing their religion. Muslims are also responsible for burning down their churches. Sydney has recently seen an attack on four churches for similar reasons. (December 16, 2005) How can we tolerate such intolerance?" [source - The Weekend Australian, November 26-27, 2005]

Says it all, so clearly Islam should be redefined as something other than a religion. So it is very necessary that this greed and hate be addressed. Remember, Matthew 5:9, "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).

Let's consider the facts as continually revealed in the world news that shows if any thing that the newspaper editor may have been a little low when he said 95 percent of the violence in the world was caused by Muslims. Here are some instances of terrorism by members of Islam:

(1) World Trade Center - 9/11 - unprovoked attack and mass murder by Muslims.
(2) London Subway Bombing by Muslims
(3) Continued mosque bombings in Iraq by Muslims.
(4) Suicide bombings in Israel by Muslims.
(5) Suicide bombing of a wedding reception in Jordan by Muslims.
(6) Daily roadside bombings in Iraq by Muslims.
(7) Train bombings in Spain my Muslims.
(8) Riots and car burnings and murders in France by Muslims.
(9) Suicide bombings in Iraq by Muslims.
(10) Car and truck bombings in Iraq by Muslims.
(11) Unprovoked murder of 8 Israelis and the kidnapping of 2 by Muslims to provoke turmoil and violence in Lebanon and Israel by Muslims.
(12) Unprovoked murder of 2 Israelis and the kidnapping of 1 by Muslims to provoke turmoil and violence in Gaza by Muslims.
(13) Bombing of restaurants and cafes in Bali, Indonesia by Muslims.
(14) Bombing of a trains in India by Muslims.
(15) Take over o***rammar school in Russia resulting in the deaths of many students by Muslims.
(16) Attempted shoebombing of a plain by a Muslim.
(17) Conspiracy to bomb about 10 planes going from UK by Muslims.
(18) Attempted murder of several Indian politicians in Kashmir by Muslims.
(19) Many violent acts by Muslims in Afghanistan.
(20) Murder o***irl by Shiite Muslims in Iran.
(21) Conspiracy to bomb trains in Germany - as previously posted for you.
(22) And the list could go on and on, get it?

But, should we wonder at the fact that the two largest religions on earth are false religions? Not if we pay attention to the words of Jesus (Yeshua) , the Isa. They are as follows, First let's consider both Luke 13:24 and Matthew 7:13-14, it is in both of these that the road followed by true believers would be narrow and cramped, Luke 13:24, "Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able." (Authorized King James Bible: AV); And Matthew 7:13-14, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, abroad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." (AV); thereby, clearly showing few would be entering the narrow gate "which leadeth unto life." In reality, it will be difficult for even true Christians to enter as testified to at 1 Peter 4:18, "And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear." (AV). In order to enter, we must have the right sort of guide, Luke 1:79, "To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace." (AV). Now, if one picks the wrong group, just because it is popular or the so called 'one to belong to in a community' and not because of Bible Truths, there is an important warning given at Matthew 15:14, "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." (AV). In fact, being with the wrong group can mean you are NOT having fellowship with the Son of God, Jesus (Yeshua) as testified to at 1 John 1:6, "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not [have] the truth." (AV). This danger is made abundantly clear at Luke 12:32 when Jesus (Yeshua) spoke of his true followers as a little flock and not a large one, "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." (AV). Simply stated, his true followers will be relatively few in number which should cause all sincere individuals to question whether mainstream religion with its vast membership is heading for the narrow gate!

[iris89]

Islam Still Believes in Genocide and is Deep Into Hypocrisy

INTRODUCTION:

As is well known, Islam bills itself as a peaceful religion and openly says it is against killing and rape, but actions my members of Islam, present and in the past prove otherwise. In the past, in India, Islam committed genocide on a scale never before seen nor seen since when it forcibly took India, the area that now is Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India, and made conversions at the proverbial point of the sword. Today it continues its violent and genocidal ways in Darful, Sudan, and in eastern Chad.

In addition, it commits hypocrisy with respect its un-called for attacks on Israel while still illegally occupying land that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, gave to Israelites approximately 1,500 BC as recorded at Numbers chapter 34, see same for details. Its hypocrisy is so egregious that when its members fire rockets at Israel and cause injury, death, and property damage that when the IDF of the State of Israel strikes back in an attempt to knock out rocket firing sites, it tries to get the State of Israel condemned by a Security Council resolution which most members either went along with or abstained for political reasons, but one state, the United States had the 'guts' to do what is right and veto the unjust nonsense.[reference - US Vetoes Security Council condemning Israel, By Warren Hoge / The New York Times Published: November 12, 2006]

Now let's look at Islam's current genocide action in Darfur, Sudan, and in eastern Chad committed by Muslim Arabs known as Janjaweed, Islam's current warriors against traditional African religion members and so called Christians.

MUSLIM JANJAWEED WARRIORS COMMIT GENOCIDE IN DARFUR AND CHAD:

Let's look at the current genocide being conducted against traditional African religion members and so called Christians by Islam's warriors which is reminiscent of when Muslim Arabs originally stormed out of Arabia and committed genocide and forced conversions of many people.[reference - several of the books by S. K. Lil, India's greatest historian].

We will first look at what an encyclopedia says with respect this conflict and genocide,
" The Darfur conflict is an ongoing armed conflict in the Darfur region of western Sudan, mainly between the Janjaweed, a militia group recruited from the tribes of the Abbala (camel-herding Arabs), and the non-Baggara people (mostly land-tilling tribes) of the region. The Sudanese government, while publicly denying that it supports the Janjaweed, has provided arms and assistance and has participated in joint attacks with the group, systematically targeting the Fur, Zaghawa, and Massaleit ethnic groups in Darfur. The conflict began in July 2003. Unlike in the Second Sudanese Civil War, which was fought between the primarily Muslim north and Christian and Animist south, in Darfur most of the residents are Muslim, as are the Janjaweed.[1]

Estimated number of deaths in the conflict have ranged from 50,000 (World Health Organization, September 2004) to 450,000 (Dr. Eric Reeves, 28 April 2006). Most NGOs use 400,000, a figure from the Coalition for International Justice that has since been cited by the United Nations. As many as 2.5 million are thought to have been displaced.[2] (See Counting deaths section, below)

The mass media have described the conflict as both "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide." The U.S. Government has described it as genocide, although the United Nations has declined to do so. (See List of declarations of genocide in Darfur)

After fighting worsened in July and August 2006, on August 31, 2006, the United Nations Security Council approved Resolution 1706 which called for a new 20,000-troop UN peacekeeping force to supplant or supplement a poorly funded, ill-equipped 7,000-troop African Union Mission in Sudan peacekeeping force. Sudan strongly objected to the resolution and said that it would see the UN forces in the region as foreign invaders. The next day, the Sudanese military launched a major offensive in the region. Source" - [Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, 11132006]>>.

And,

What Brian Steidle - Washington Post, had to say with respect this conflict and genocide,
"The conflict had begun nearly 1 1/2 years earlier and had escalated into a full-scale government-sponsored military operation that, with the support of Arab militias known as the Janjaweed, was aimed at annihilating the African tribes [none Muslims] in the region. And while the cease-fire was supposed to have put a stop to that, on an almost daily basis we would be called to investigate reports of attacks on civilians. We would find men, women and children tortured and killed, and villages burned to the ground.
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Mihad now represents to me the countless victims of this vicious war, a war that we documented but given our restricted mandate were unable to stop. Every day we surveyed evidence of killings: men castrated and left to bleed to death, huts set on fire with people locked inside, children with their faces smashed in, men with their ears cut off and eyes plucked out, and the corpses of people who had been executed with gunshots to the head. We spoke with thousands of witnesses -- women who had been gang-raped [yet Muslims claim they are against rape, a hollow claim as situation in Darfur shows] and families that had lost fathers, people who plainly and soberly gave us their accounts of the slaughter.

Often we were the witnesses. Just two days after I had taken Mihad's photo, we returned to Alliet. While talking to a government commander on the outskirts of the town, we heard a buzz that sounded like a high-voltage power line. Upon entering the village, we saw that the noise was coming from flies swarming over dead animals and people. We counted about 20 dead, many burned, and then flew back to our camp to write our report. But the smell of charred flesh was hard to wash away.

The conflict in Darfur is not a battle between uniformed combatants, and it knows no rules of war. Women and children bear the greatest burden. The Internally Displaced Persons (IDP) camps are filled with families that have lost their fathers. Every day, women are sent outside the IDP camps to seek firewood and water, despite the constant risk of rape at the hands of the Janjaweed. Should men be available to venture out of the camps, they risk castration and murder. So families decide that rape is the lesser evil. It is a crime that families even have to make such a choice. Often women are sexually assaulted within the supposed safety of the IDP camps. Nowhere is really safe. If and when the refugees are finally able to return home and rebuild, many women may have to support themselves alone; rape victims are frequently ostracized, and others face unwanted pregnancies and an even greater burden of care.

The Janjaweed militias do not act alone. I have seen clear evidence that the atrocities committed in Darfur are the direct result of the Sudanese government's military collaboration with the militias. Attacks are well coordinated by Sudanese government officials and Arab militias, who attack villages together. Before these attacks occur, the cell phone systems are shut down by the government so that villagers cannot warn each other. Whenever we lost our phone service, we would scramble to identify the impending threat. We knew that somewhere, another reign of terror was about to begin.

Helicopter gunships belonging to the government routinely support the Arab militias on the ground. The gunships fire anti-personnel rockets that contain flashettes, or small nails, each with stabilizing fins on the back so the point hits the target first. Each gunship contains four rocket pods, each rocket pod contains about 20 rockets and each rocket contains about 500 of these flashettes. Flashette wounds look like shotgun wounds. I saw one small child's back that looked as if it had been shredded by a cheese grater. We got him to a hospital, but we did not expect him to live.
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Those villagers who were able to escape flocked to existing IDP camps, where they would scrounge for sticks and plastic bags to construct shelter from the sun and wind. In even these desperate situations, however, the Sudanese government would not give up its murderous mission. First it would announce the need to relocate an IDP camp and assess the population of displaced people, often grossly underestimating the numbers. Then after international aid organizations had built a new, smaller camp, the government would forcibly relocate the population, leaving hundreds to thousands without shelter. It would bulldoze or drive over the old camps with trucks, often in the middle of the night in order to escape notice. It would then gather up and burn the remaining debris.

The worst thing I saw came last December, when Labado, a village of 20,000 people, was burned to the ground. We rushed there after a rebel group contacted us, and we arrived while the attack was still in progress. At the edge of the village, I found a Sudanese general who explained why he was doing nothing to stop the looting and burning. He said his job was to protect civilians and keep the road open to commercial traffic and denied that his men were participating in the attack. Then a group of uniformed men drove by in a Toyota Land Cruiser. The general said they were just going to get water, but they stopped about 75 yards away, jumped out, looted a hut and burned it. The attacks continued for a week. We have no idea how many people died there but tribal leaders later said close to 100 were missing. [source - By Brian Steidle - Washington Post, Sunday, March 20, 2005; Page B02][ www.ushmm.org/conscience/alert/darfur/steidle/?gclid=CMb-8qK... ]>>.
Speaks for itself with respect whether Islam is a peaceful religion or not since the ones committing these atrocities are all members in good standing of Islam and other Islamic nations have intentionally failed to condemn them while they vigorously condemn the State of Israel's defense of itself against Muslim Arab rocket launching individuals in Gaza, which the Secretary General of the United Nations said,
" SECRETARY-GENERAL CONDEMNS FIRING OF ROCKETS FROM GAZA INTO ISRAEL; CALLS AGAIN ON ISRAEL TO REFRAIN FROM ACTIONS AMOUNTING TO COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT

The following statement was issued today in Accra, Ghana, by the Spokesman for UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan:

The Secretary-General once again condemns the firing of rockets from Gaza into Israel, such as the one which struck a school in the town of Ashkelon yesterday. He also calls again on the Government of Israel to refrain from actions that amount to collective punishment of Palestinian civilians, and to ensure delivery of fuel, commodities and other essentials into Gaza.



The Secretary-General again reminds the Government of Israel and the Palestinian Authority of their obligations under international humanitarian law, regarding protection of civilians and civilian infrastructure.

The Secretary-General repeats his call for the immediate release of Corporal Gilad Shalit.

The situation is dangerous and could be explosive. The Secretary-General urges all concerned to step back from the brink."[source - United Nations Department of Public Information • News and Media Division • New York, July 5, 2006, Secretary-General SG/SM/10552 PAL/2055 ]>>.

And,

Let's consider what UNICEF has to say with respect the genocide and rapes being committed by members of Islam against none members of Islam which clearly shows that Islam is anything but a peaceful religion, and is committing hypocrisy in that it says it is against rape but does not lift its little finger to censure its members committing same, but let Israel do anything and it is quick to condemn them even if what they do is in response to actions by members of Islam, "For three years, marauding Janjaweed militia groups have driven Darfur villagers from their homes, stolen their cattle, destroyed wells and burnt buildings. Today, violence against children and their families continues to grow and villagers are flooding into temporary refugee camps across the region at a growing rate.

An estimated 3.4 million people-equivalent to almost 51 percent of the total population in the region-have been affected by the crisis in Darfur. At least 1.3 million children are living in 200 refugee camps as a result.
Darfur's children have borne the brunt of this ongoing conflict. They live in a constant state of fear, according to UNICEF Emergency Communications Officer Gordon Weiss. "They have lost their homes and their families and suffered terrible abuses," he said.
Conditions are deteriorating, In recent weeks, increasing violence has made it extremely difficult for humanitarian workers to continue to effectively respond with needed relief. Acute malnutrition has reached 27 percent in some parts of Darfur and health care systems are failing. Sexual violence against women and children is as widespread as ever, [and people yearn for a place where they can feel safe.
Refugee camps-such as Abu Shouk on the outskirts of Darfur's northern capital El Fashir or the Oure Cassoni Camp in neighboring Chad-are almost the only places where children and adults can receive lifesaving assistance.
At Abu Shouk, UNICEF and partners have provided health clinics and latrines, as well as schools for 13,000 primary aged children. In Chad, women and children fleeing violence across the border in Darfur are given nutrition and medical care. Some have walked for days to get to a camp. When they arrive, they describe how their families were murdered, their homes and communities destroyed.
The world cannot and should not allow this senseless loss of life to continue. UNICEF is calling upon all parties to cease the conflict and protect the families and children."
[source - UNICEF, Update October 2, 2006, www.unicefusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=duLRI8O0H&b=50755 ]>>.

And,

Look at what MSN News says on the genocide and rape in Darfur and Chad, by members of Islam, "
GOZ BEIDA, Chad - The conflict in the Darfur region of western Sudan, which President Bush has labeled genocide, has intensified in recent weeks after a lull that followed a partial peace agreement signed in May.
The attacks by Arab militia, known as janjaweed and said to be backed by the Sudanese government, have spread from Darfur to neighboring Chad where many Darfurians have been seeking refuge. Chad declared a state of emergency on Monday in the capital, N'Djamena, and some areas on the Sudanese border.
NBC News' Ann Curry reports from Goz Beida - a UNHCR refugee camp in Chad giving temporary shelter to 15,000 people - on the deteriorating humanitarian situation in Sudan and Chad.
...
What has happened is that there is this firestorm of ethnic cleansing i.e., the genocide of none Muslims], which started as an effort to seize territory, that has spiraled out of control. The violence is widely blamed on the ambitions of the Arab government of Sudan to seize territory... There has been a systematic burning of people's homes, and now some 200,000 Darfurians are living in these squalid refugee camps in Chad and their lives are completely changed.
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This violence has now escalated. In the last ten days more than 20 villages in Chad have been burned in the same way as the attacks in the Darfur region of Sudan. The perpetrators have come from Sudan, wearing Sudanese military uniforms, and have joined forces with Arabs here in Chad. Now this Arab [Muslims]-on-African violence is moving deep into Chad.

Hundreds of people have been killed in the last ten days and thousands are fleeing. We are hearing every day about villages being lit on fire by these Arab militias, who locals believe have been uniformed and armed by the Sudanese government. The militants are shouting racial epithets, gang-raping women and killing the men.
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Have you seen evidence of the village attacks in Chad?
Yes. We were in the village of Tama Jour, which was set on fire last Wednesday, and the entire village, which once had 600 people, was still smoldering days later. Everything was burned to the... We saw animals burned, homes completely destroyed and some fires still raging in the fields. We basically saw a place that had once thrived with 600 people that was now completely empty.

We found the villagers about 70 miles away, here in Goz Beida, under a tree. They were just broken. Before they never had to worry too much about having enough to eat because they were very able farmers, but now their children are cold at night, they don't have enough food, and many of them are dying. "[source - MSN , msnbc.msn.com/id/15655588/]>>.

And,

Even the conservative US government has issued statements on the genocide and rape by members of Islam in Darfur and Chad as follows, " An Atrocities Documentation Team, assembled at the initiative of the US Department of State's Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor (DRL), conducted interviews in Chad in July and August. The team was primarily composed of independent experts recruited by the Coalition for International Justice (CIJ), and also included experts from the American Bar Association (ABA), DRL, and the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) as well as the US Agency for International Development (USAID). INR was responsible for compiling the survey data and producing the final report. USAID met the costs of the CIJ and ABA.

Humanitarian Crisis

As of August 2004, based on available information, more than 405 villages in Darfur had been completely destroyed, with an additional 123 substantially damaged, since February 2003. Approximately 200,000 persons had sought refuge in eastern Chad as of August, according to the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR); the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports another 1.2 million internally displaced persons (IDPs) remain in western Sudan. The total population of Darfur is 6 million. The lack of security in the region continues to threaten displaced persons. Insecurity and heavy rains continue to disrupt humanitarian assistance. The UN World Food Program provided food to nearly 940,000 people in Darfur in July. Nonetheless, since the beginning of the Darfur food program, a total of 82 out of 154 concentrations of IDPs have received food, leaving 72 locations unassisted. Relief and health experts warn that malnutrition and mortality are likely to increase as forcibly displaced and isolated villagers suffer from hunger and infectious diseases that will spread quickly among densely populated and malnourished populations. The health situation for the 200,000 refugees in Chad is ominous. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that one in three children in the refugee settlements in Chad is suffering from acute malnutrition and that crude mortality rates are already well above emergency threshold levels (one per 10,000 per day).

Human Rights Crisis

The non-Arab [none Muslim] population of Darfur continues to suffer from crimes against humanity. A review of 1,136 interviews shows a consistent pattern of atrocities, suggesting close coordination between GOS forces and Arab militia elements, commonly known as the Jingaweit (Janjaweed). ("Jingaweit" is an Arabic term meaning "horse and gun.")

Despite the current cease-fire and UN Security Council Resolution 1556, Jingaweit violence against civilians has continued (cease-fire violations by both the Jingaweit and the rebels have continued as well). Media reports on August 10, 16, and 19 chronicled GOS-Jingaweit attacks in Western Darfur. In addition to their work on the survey, the interviewers had the opportunity to speak with newly arrived refugees who provided accounts that tended to confirm press reports of continuing GOS participation in recent attacks. Refugees who fled the violence on August 6 and 8 spoke with the team, providing accounts consistent with media reports: joint GOS military and Jingaweit attacks; strafing by helicopter gun ships followed by ground attacks by the GOS military in vehicles and Jingaweit on horseback; males being shot or knifed; and women being abducted or raped. Respondents reported these attacks destroyed five villages. Multiple respondents also reported attacks on the IDP camp of Arja.

The UN estimates the violence has affected 2.2 million of Darfur's 6 million residents. The GOS claims it has been unable to prevent Jingaweit atrocities and that the international community has exaggerated the extent and nature of the crisis. The GOS has improved international relief access to IDPs in Darfur since July, but problems, including lack of security and seasonal rains, have hampered relief programs. Survey results indicate that most Sudanese refugees state that Jingaweit militias and GOS military forces collaborate in carrying out systematic attacks against non-Arab villages in Darfur. "[source - United States Department of State Publication 11182
Released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor and the Bureau of Intelligence and Research
September 2004 ]>>.

So as we can clearly see, members of Islam are once more committing genocide and rape against none members of Islam.

GENOCIDE BY ISLAM NOTHING NEW:

Let's briefly look at the greatest genocide of all history that was committed in India by warriors of Islam.

"Genocide by Islam. According to Prof. K.S. Lal, the author of the Growth of Muslim population in India, the Hindu population decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD, the year Mahmud Ghazni invaded India and 1525 AD, a year before the battle of Panipat.[58][59].

One can safely add another 20 million Hindus to this list to account for the number that were killed during the Mughal rule or the rule of the Muslim rulers in the Deccan plateau. By all known accounts of world history, as pointed out by Koenard Elst in his book the Negationism in India, destruction of about 100 million hindus is perhaps the biggest holocaust in the whole world history."[60]

Clearly showing that the Muslims were responsible for the greatest genocide in all of human history, but let's look at more facts with respect this crime against humanity.

Historian Will Durant wrote his book The Story of Civilization:, "The Mohammadan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precarious thing, whose delicate complex of order and liberty, culture and peace may at any time be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within."[61].

References:
[58] Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India (1973) by K.S. Lil, India's greatest historian.
[59] The Legacy of Muslim Rule in India. New Delhi, Aditya Prakashan, 1992. [1] (ISBN 81851790304, ISBN 81-85689-03-2, ISBN 81-85689-03-2) also by K.S. Lil.
[60] The biggest holocaust in world history by Jayaram V.
[61] source - "The Story of Civilization, " by Will Durant the great American historian
[source - Large Religions are False Religions - Their Fruitage by Iris-the-Preacher 2006, and can be read at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?action=display&... ]>>.

So as we can see, genocide and rape have been standard operating procedures (SOP) of Islam since its inception and remain so today.

CONCLUSION:

As has been shown, genocide and rape have always been standard operating procedures (SOP) by some members of Islam, and other members consistently fail to condemn it or give back what has been taken.

Also, Islam not blames Israel for what they cause as clearly shown in this article. In fact, even the Crusades they blame on Christians were in reality caused by Islam itself, let's briefly look at the facts.

"Also, members of Islam incorrectly blame the Catholic church for the Crusades, but conveniently overlook the fact that they, members of Islam actually lit the fuse for the Crusades, i.e., they conveniently ignore cause and effect[reference - Islam Does Not Know Difference Between Cause and Effect or Result: by Iris the Preacher, 2006]>>.

How so? Let's look at history, " Let's look at what was really the cause of the Crusades that Islam blames on apostate (counterfeit) Christians, and a usual Islam is found to be responsible and the fuse lighter. Now here are the facts, " Most of Islam blames the apostate (counterfeit) Christians for the Crusades, but in reality Islam caused the Crusades which were the effect or result or consequences of a malicious wrong act by Fatimid Caliph al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah. How so? Well simple, in 1009 this Caliph sacked the pilgrimage hospice in Jerusalem and destroyed the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. It was later rebuilt by the Byzantine emperor, but this event was remembered in Europe and was the spark or cause for the crusades.

Now let's look at what an encyclopedia says, " This background in the Christian West must be matched with that in the Muslim East. Muslim presence in the Holy Land goes back to the initial Arab conquest of Palestine [[They stole land that did not belong to them from the Hebrews and others.]]in the 7th century. This did not interfere much with pilgrimage to Christian holy sites or the security of monasteries and Christian communities in the Holy Land of Christendom, and western Europeans were not much concerned with the loss of far-away Jerusalem when, in the ensuing decades and centuries, they were themselves faced with invasions by Muslims and other hostile non-Christians such as the Vikings and Magyars. However, the Muslim armies' successes were putting strong pressure on the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire.

A turning point in western attitudes towards the east came in the year 1009, when the Fatimid caliph of Cairo, al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, had the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem destroyed. His successor permitted the Byzantine Empire to rebuild it under stringent circumstances, and pilgrimage was again permitted, but many stories began to be circulated in the West about the cruelty of Muslims toward Christian pilgrims; these stories then played an important role in the development of the crusades later in the century.

The immediate cause of the First Crusade was Alexius I's appeal to Pope Urban II for mercenaries to help him resist Muslim advances into territory of the Byzantine Empire. In 1071, at the Battle of Manzikert, the Byzantine Empire had been defeated, and this defeat led to the loss of all but the coastlands of Asia Minor (modern Turkey)[[Another land theft.]]. Although the East-West Schism was brewing between the Catholic Western church and the Greek Orthodox Eastern church, Alexius I expected some help from a fellow Christian. However, the response was much larger, and less helpful, than Alexius I desired, as the Pope called for a large invasion force to not merely defend the Byzantine Empire but also retake Jerusalem."[source - Islam Protest Hearing The Truth: by Iris-the-Preacher 2006, and can be read at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?action=display&... or

www.jude3.org/new_topic.php or

www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9334 or

p078.ezboard.com/fyahwehstruthinchristfrm2.showMessage?topic... [4 post down]]>>.

[iris89]

ADDENDUM to Islam Still Believes in Genocide and is Deep Into Hypocrisy

Now here is a select group of replies received from members of Islam and my responses. Take special note of how they try to mislead on specific items.

FIRST REPLY," Wow So much presented and most of it is Presented by the WESTERN MEDIA.

Don't worry iris89 I would put you in your Place Like I have done with Many Christains/Jews and Athesist.

Let me ask you why do believer the ALL ARABS ARE MUSLIMS.

The REAL fact is the this conflict is between MUSLIM BLACKS (with the support of christians) vs ARAB MUSLIMS.

Why did you leave out such a detail out of your commentary?

This is from an American SITE:

www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/darfur.htm

Regional resentment of Khartoum is not limited to the south, but was present to varying degrees in other areas of Sudan, especially the western state of Darfur. Although the ethnically diverse people of Darfur were predominantly Muslim, more than 40 percent were not Arabs and generally felt more affinity with related groups in neighboring Chad than with Khartoum."[source - a Muslim] >>"

FIRST RESPONSE, " FIRST, [question by ******#1] Let me ask you why do believer the ALL ARABS ARE MUSLIMS.

Answer, I in no way believe that I as I have met members of Islam that were of all colors, and my uncle's assistant in the Mosque is black, not Arab.

SECOND, [question by ******#1] The REAL fact is the this conflict is between MUSLIM BLACKS (with the support of christians) vs ARAB MUSLIMS.

Answer, Not entirely correct as I have spoken with over 40 refugees from Darfur that were all Christian; whereas, if they were attacking their own, fellow Muslims, that would clearly show with out question the un-loving and violent ways of Islam. Jesus (Yeshua) clearly said at Matthew 22:37-40, "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). Clearly, if what you say is true, that members of Islam fail to show love one to the other. One writer said this with respect love,

Love is patient and is kind, love does not envy. Love does not brag, is not proud, does not behave itself inappropriately, does not seek its own way, is not provoked, takes no account of evil. does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things... I Corinthians 13

Love is the power of faith. Faith needs love to be made perfect, because perfect faith results in faithfullness and faithfullness is a work of love. Faith and love go hand in hand because faith wants to believe, just as love trusts, faith sees through the darkness and weathers the storm, just as love endures all things, and faith seeks to put God first just as love always gives. 1 Corinthians 13 :4-7 Our faith is not just knowledge about God but a personal relationship with Him as Lord, and any relationship requires love to succeed, to endure trials and to grow, including our relationships with one another because we are called to be family in the Lord and to love one another. The perfect example of faith powered by love is seen in the life of Jesus Christ, who manifests Gods love ...
Because love is the power of faith we should focus on love, seize it and cultivate it... and we can because God is love, and He imparts that love to us when we draw near to Him as the scripture says... whatever touches what is holy shall become holy Leviticus 6:27, and love is of the Holy Spirit. By faith we draw near to God through sincere prayer, entering into His presence, because when Jesus died on the cross, the temple curtain separating God and man was torn in two from top to bottom... Mathew 27:51 Gods promise says that if we draw near to Him then He will draw near to us, James 4:8 and when He who is Holy draws near to us then our spirits are sanctified by His Holy Spirit as His holiness is imparted to our spirits. If we allow God to fill our hearts with His Holy Spirit then we are filled with the love of God because love is the pre-eminate characteristic of God's holiness. Because God is the source of our love, love is the fruit of faith... Galatians 5: 22
When we submit to the love of God we have combined faith with love and have the power to fulfill the royal law, which is to love the Lord with all our heart, mind and soul... Mathew 22:37-39 If we keep the royal law James 2:8 we are being faithful and are perfecting faith by faithfullness... James 2:22 If we love God we will seek to please Him and keep the royal law because the royal law embraces Gods will and all of His commandments. Without love we can't fulfill the royal law because we can't love the Lord unless we have love. To manifest the love of God is to overcome sin, whereas to not manifest the love of God is to sin. For the royal law is not to know about the Lord, but to love the Lord... and to love one another as ourselves. We can't do one without the other, because we can't truly love God whom we can't see if we don't love mankind who is made in the image of God. When we love one another we are manifesting our love for God whom we can't see by loving His image. If we love one another then we also love God because we can't love the reflection without loving its source. And if we love God we will love Jesus Christ and allow Him to reign in our hearts, keepings all of His commandments John 14:21 by subduing the will and power of the flesh through the power of the Holy Spirit, so that faith working through love does the will of God by turning the thought into reality which pleases Him and fulfills the royal law...
Faith without love is incomplete, residing only in the mind as knowledge, and knowledge of Gods will alone can not perfect us by saving us from sin but allowing Jesus Christ to reign in our hearts. If knowledge of Gods will alone could save us then salvation would have been through the law of Moses or even a Christian law handed down by Jesus, and there would not have been any need for Christ to die for our sins Galatians 2:21 and dwell in our hearts. If Jesus reigns in our hearts then the love of Christ also reigns because He is the manifestation of Gods love. The heart without the love of God does not have Jesus Christ and the soul without the Spirit of Christ is not born again Romans 8:9 and cannot be perfected by being transformed into the likeness of Jesus Christ which is true salvation and the result of faith. But the soul which manifests the love of God has been washed clean by the Holy Spirit Romans 15:16 and manifests the spirit and glory of Jesus Christ... [source - Author: Simon Strahler]

THIRD, [question by *****#1] Why did you leave out such a detail out of your commentary?

Answer, As it would have made no difference with respect the wrong being committed and how other members of Islam are turning their backs on this wrong and doing nothing about it, i.e., they are condoning it; whereas, as I said previously, all the victims I have met were Christian.

FOURTH, [question by *****#1] Regional resentment of Khartoum is not limited to the south, but was present to varying degrees in other areas of Sudan, especially the western state of Darfur. Although the ethnically diverse people of Darfur were predominantly Muslim, more than 40 percent were not Arabs and generally felt more affinity with related groups in neighboring Chad than with Khartoum.

Question, are you trying to use this to justify the unjustifiable, i.e., genocide??

FIFTH, [question by *****#2] the caliphs of umayyads and abbasids (and also the first three caliphs of islam) are the biggest oppressors in the world. they murdered our pure Imams.

Question, If this be so, then why has Islam NOT made amends and returned all lands so taken and the ancestors forced to convert at the edge of the sword to the Buddhist and Hindus respectfully, i.e., All of what in ancient times was called India - Afghanistan, Pakistan, and present India??

See details at the following,

[1] Data Complied by Hindu scholar Nkgrock on rape, forced conversions, sand stealing, temple destruction, murders, massacres, etc. by members of Islam in India, Pakistan, & Afghanistan. At,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1163810756

[2] Islam, Violent From The Beginning Using India as An Example: at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1163810568

[3] India Taken by the Sword by Muslims From 10 Century On: at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1163810043

[4] The Ultimate Absurdity by a Member of Islam: at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...63176648&page=1

[5] A Member of Islam Admits None Peace at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1163176905

[6] Islam Does Not Know Difference Between Cause and Effect or Result: at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...63180211&page=1

[7] The Face of World Terrorism and Violence at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1163181520

SIXTH, [question by *****#2] now I want to ask you. what do you know about the Imams of bani Hashim?

do you not see that they are a lesson of pious and humble and modesty and courage and sacrifice and wisdom and equality?

Answer, I do not know those specific Imams, but I know my uncle, an Imam, and he definitely was NOT kind. I am not questioning the fact that Islam had a few good and pious Imams just as I do not question the fact that the Roman Catholics had a few good and pious priest, I am speaking of the general run. You should read the various books by India's greatest historian, S.K. Lil, on the subject. You will find his books listed in one of the links previously given.

Check out the following,

Discourse on the Two Paths of So Called Christianity - The Genuine and the Counterfeit at,
religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...63177849&page=1


SEVENTH, [question by ****#2] here in lebanon, we have many christians who love and respect the Imam Ali and Imam Hossein, because they are a symbol of absolute wisdom and love and sacrifice, and anyone who has love and respect for Jesus will definately have love and respect for Ahlul Bayt.

Imam Hossein did not die only for muslims. he died for all humanity.

Response, As I previously said, I have no doubt that Islam had a few good Imams, just as the Roman Catholic had a few good priest, but that in no way justifies the wrongs committed by either religion and/or atones for them. Nor does it make their false doctrine and practices acceptable to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is." [source - Iris the Preacher]

SECOND REPLY, "... we dont beleive in any Imams other than the 12 pure Imams of Ahlul Bayt.

you should keep it in your mind that Shia and Sunni are two totally different things.

all these oppressors you are talking about were Sunni.

the Imams of Ahlul Bayt are the Shia Islam. why dont you care to learn more about them.

all you know is about sunni, and you know NOTHING about Imam Hossein and Imam Ali.

if you did, you would have seen what im trying to say, and you would have compassion and love for them.

because i agree with you 100% that most of the so called "muslims" of history were oppressors and evil.

why dont you take a look at the book of Imam Ali's sermons that I gave you, and also read about Karbala and Ashoura, the story of love and sacrifice. [REALLY OFF TOPIC][by a Shia Muslim]>>.

SECOND RESPONSE, " Yes, I am very familiar with the Sunni and less familiar with the Shia and the Druse as my relatives were Sunni and never had anything good to say about the Shia. However, they are all just sects of Islam so if Islam is wrong and it is, they are all wrong regardless of their individual differences. Now here are some items you should check out, as they have parts dealing with Shia members of Islam, the Hezbollah,

[1] Islam Protest Hearing The Truth: at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1163782613

[2] Members of Islam Do NOT Want To Contend With The Wrongs Committed By Members of Islam: [50] at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...63783606&page=1

[3] Islam Does Not Know Difference Between Cause and Effect or Result: at,

p078.ezboard.com/fyahwehstruthinchr...picID=215.topic

[4] Hezbollah is Responsible For All and Should Pay For All: at,

forum.bismikaallahuma.org/viewtopic.php?t=7636

[5] The Face of World Terrorism and Violence at,

love.proboards9.com/index.cgi?actio...read=1156629467

[6] Bogus Claims of Those Against World Tranquility With Respect Who Is a Hebrew (Jew): at,

forum.bismikaallahuma.org/index.php/topic,7679.0.html

[7] Palestine Belongs to The Hebrews Per The Everlasting Covenant With The Seeds of Isaac, NOT Ishmael: at,

forum.bismikaallahuma.org/viewtopic.php?p=77676#77676

Why do you not come over to a new forum I am starting and start posting items about the Shia on the category I opened on Shia. My forum is at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/

I am always interested in learning more about what I know little and the Shia are one of those items."[source - by Iris the Preacher]>>.

THIRD REPLY, " Not entirely correct as I have spoken with over 40 refugees from Darfur that were all Christian; whereas, if they were attacking their own, fellow Muslims, that would clearly show with out question the un-loving and violent ways of Islam.

How will that Show un-loving and violence in Islam?
Since you seem to have knowledge into Islam, you should know it is Against Islam to Kill a fellow Muslim. How many times has it happened in Christianity, what me to go through the entire History of it?

Dafur Conflict

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_conflict

SLA: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan_Liberation_Movement
JEM: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Equality_Movement

Who are fighting the Janjaweed and the Sudan Governement and Yet Both are Lead By MUSLIMS.

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As it would have made no difference with respect the wrong being committed and how other members of Islam are turning their backs on this wrong and doing nothing about it, i.e., they are condoning it; whereas, as I said previously, all the victims I have met were Christian.

Yes it does make a Difference, it make you pretend like this is another Islam vs Chritainity conflict and the Muslims are killing the Christians. Yet the Major of the People are Muslims. Its a Civil War and how does this make it ISLAMIC, I am still waiting to see that part. That is because it is you policy as a Preacher to met the Christians.

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Question, are you trying to use this to justify the unjustifiable, i.e., genocide??

No body in the world would Justify Genocide. Yet once again we DON'T see the USA, EU, UN or anyother develop country get involved? Why, do they Justify Genocide?

Everyone seem to have Forgotten Rawanda, How about Kosovo, How about
Chechnya?

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Question, If this be so, then why has Islam NOT made amends and returned all lands so taken and the ancestors forced to convert at the edge of the sword to the Buddhist and Hindus respectfully, i.e., All of what in ancient times was called India - Afghanistan, Pakistan, and present India

Have you ever seen any Christian return the Land where the Majority of the Population become Christian?

Why do you add Afganistan to India, it was NEVER part of India. There are ONLY two countries in the 20th Century were created Solo on Religion. 1. Israel & 2. Pakistan.
The different is the in Pakistan th people are the same ethic background (as Indian) but were Muslims, but in Israel all the Jews around the world were Put there. [Note, how he feels others, none Muslims, should stop the genocide and rapes by Muslims; how preposterous --- also, he denies a historic fact of the sixth century---he tries to justify Muslim wrong doing by the wrong doing of others such as in Kosovo where the EU got involved and put a stop to it as the Muslims should do in Darfur and Chad, but are NOT doing][source - by a Muslim]>>.

THIRD RESPONSE, " I went there and read the preface and it all seemed like one conspiracy and/or battle after another, not very loving stuff. One peace is particular caught my attention,
QUOTE
Mas'udi says in Murujuz Zahab: "Yazid was notorious as a habitual drunkard. In the circumstances it was the duty of all Muslims not to agree to take the oath of allegiance to him, because such an oath meant approval of all his actions and an acknowledgement to assist him in whatever he did, and Islam does not permit the Muslims to remain quiet and observe patience, if Islam is being destroyed, the Qur'an is being trampled upon and the Divine religion becomes a plaything in the hands of idiots and bullies. Silence at such a stage is like the silence of the mean sufi, quoted by Syed Murtaza Dai Razi in Tabsaratul Awam. [9]


Why have not any in Islam rose up and stopped the wickedness in Darfur if the Quran does not,
QUOTE
Islam does not permit the Muslims to remain quiet and observe patience, if Islam is being destroyed,

If many Darfurans are Muslim as some claim???[source - Iris the Preacher]>>.

FOURTH REPLY, " this is the basis of Shia faith,

Ashoura is the core of our faith, where Imam Hossein (who had only 72 supporters) stood up against the d**ned oppressor Yazid (huge army), who had claimed the Islamic Caliphate.

so you see friend, it is always these so called Islamic Caliphs that are the oppressors and kill the innocent.

Imam Hossein stood up against him, and was slaughtered with his pure family and brothers and children and friends, and his sisters and daughters taken prisoners.

and his great sister Sayeda Zaynab, stood up in the court of Yazid, and shouted against him and condemned him for the oppression.


this is the Shia faith. we beleive in standing up against oppression, even if it means death. in our history, the Shia have always been the minority, and have always been oppressed and killed by the majority who always claimed the islamic "caliphate"

read history. muawiya (killed Imam Ali), yazid (murdered Imam Hossein), haroun rashid (murdered Imam Moosa Kazim), etc.. all 12 Imams were murdered by the so called "caliphs" who only cared about their wealth and castles and women. "[source - a Shia Muslim]>>.

FOURTH RESPONSE, " I read your post and take serious issue with the following as it does NOT JIVE with current events,
QUOTE
so you see friend, it is always these so called Islamic Caliphs that are the oppressors and kill the innocent.


Let's step back and look at reality.
QUOTE
By QAIS Al-BASHIR, Associated Press Writer - 11/19/2006
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber in a minivan lured day laborers to his vehicle with promises of a job Sunday morning then blew it up, killing 22 people and wounding 44 in the mainly Shiite southern city of Hillah, police said.

Attacks by suspected insurgents in other areas of Iraq killed 30 people and wounded 58, raising the country's death toll to 52 by midday Sunday.
In the capital, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem was expected to arrive Sunday, officials said, making him the highest ranking Syrian official to visit since U.S.-led forces ousted Saddam Hussein in 2003.

Syria and Iraq broke diplomatic relations in 1982, although trade ties have been restored.

The Bush administration is under growing pressure to ask adversaries such as
Iran and Syria for help in trying to avoid the collapse of an increasingly violent Iraq.
Negotiating with the two countries would entail a major policy shift for
President Bush, whose reluctance to talk to them - and U.S. adversaries in general - has come under increasing criticism.
Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who advised Bush on the Iraq war, said military victory is no longer possible and joined calls for the U.S. government to seek help from Iraq's regional neighbors_ including Iran.
"If you mean, by 'military victory,' an Iraqi government that can be established and whose writ runs across the whole country, that gets the civil war under control and sectarian violence under control in a time period that the political processes of the democracies will support, I don't believe that is possible," he said on the BBC's Sunday AM program.

In bombing in Hillah, a mostly Shiite town 60 miles south of Baghdad, the minivan approached the men and exploded as they gathered around it, said police Capt. Muthanna Khalid Ali.

Unemployment is high across Iraq, and men often struggle to feed their families by working jobs such as the construction work the Hillah residents were seeking. Sunday is a working day in mostly Muslim Iraq.
"The sudden explosion shook the whole area and shattered the windows of a store I was standing outside of nearby," said Muhsin Hadi Alwan, 33, one of the wounded day laborers. "The ground was covered with the remains of people and blood, and survivors ran in all directions."
"How will I feed the six members of my family when I return home without work and without money?" Alwan said.

Another survivor, Mohammed Abbas Kadhim, 30, said: "I was thrown a few meters (yards) by the blast and I couldn't see or hear for a few minutes as I was lying on the ground. People were racing everywhere looking for their missing sons, brothers, friends - all of them shouting `God is great.'"
Crying and screaming Shiite women searched the scene for their sons. Some blamed Sunni Arab insurgents for the attack. Others said Hillah's police do not provide poor people such as day laborers with adequate security.
Firefighters wearing yellow rubber boots raced to the site to put out the burning vehicle. Some stepped over mud mixed with blood and large chunks of crumpled concrete as they moved toward the remains of the van, which was reduced to a blackened hulk of twisted metal.

The blast shattered windows and ripped holes in concrete stalls and storefronts nearby. Some business owners were using brooms to sweep away debris from the blast. Others stood nearby, surveying the damage as if in a daze.
Soldiers also gathered at the site, in part to guard the heavily damaged shops and stalls from scavengers. Some of the stalls were serving traditional breakfasts of boiled eggs and tea to the laborers when the explosion occurred.
Ambulances carrying the dead and wounded raced to nearby Hillah Hospital, which has its own morgue. As medics carried stretchers into the building, local residents lined up outside offering to donate blood.
Dr. Mohammed Dhiya, the hospital's manager, said all the city's doctors had been called to work and that operations were under way on severely wounded victims. As a large crowd of residents gathered at the hospital, he urged them to remain outside unless they were donating blood.

Hillah has been the site of many deadly bomb attacks.
In August, an explosives-rigged bicycle blew up near an army recruiting center in the city, killing at least 12 people. The attacker, who was posing as an army applicant, left the bike at the center as volunteers gathered outside.
In May, a car packed with explosives blew up at a dealership in Hillah, killing at least 12 people and wounding 32.

One of the worst bomb attacks in Iraq during the war also occurred in Hillah, when a suicide car bomber killed 125 national guard and police recruits in February 2005.

Elsewhere in Iraq, 24 civilians, five policemen and a soldier were killed and 58 Iraqis were wounded in a series of attacks by suspected insurgents in the cities of Baghdad, Mosul and Baqouba, police said.
U.S. and Iraqi forces also killed 12 insurgents, detained 11, and freed eight Iraqi hostages while conducting raids in Baqouba and two villages near Kirkuk, 180 miles north of Baghdad, police said.
In Sunday's worst attack outside Hillah, a roadside bomb and two car bombs exploded one after another near a bus station in Mashtal, a mostly Shiite area of southeastern Baghdad, killing 11 civilians and wounding 51, police said.
"Innocent people were killed. Where is the government?" one Iraqi woman shouted in response to the bombing. "Women and children were killed. God is great, God is great."


These are acts of members of Islam against other members of Islam and NOT UNDER THE DIRECTION OF ANY CALIPH OR SULTAN, SO LET'S GET REAL."[SOURCE - Iris the Preacher]>>.

FOURTH SECOND RESPONSE, [second response made] " You are not correct. The same thing is happening in Chad so it is not related to a political issue in the Provience of Darfur of the Sudan, but is instead religious and racial genocide.

Also, the wanton killing of innocent civilians on purpose and the rapping of women as all should know has absolutely nothing to do with politics, but with willful hate. Note, I am NOT referring to unintentional collateral killing that occurs in war, but intentional murder and rape on a mass scale.

Everyone knows rape is based on lust so get real; also, is it NOT forbidden in the Quran? Or did Muhammad (pbuh) say go out and rape and rape?

Now with respect your claim that Afghanistan was never a part of India, history does NOT BACK UP THIS CLAIM as clearly shown by India's greatest historian S.K. Lil and archaeological evidence that shows that before Islam arrived in India there existed a very large Buddhist population in what is now Afghanistan, thus clearly you are in error.

As I told, sayedmurtada, Check out the following and you will see that I am absolutely historically correct.

[1] Data Complied by Hindu scholar Nkgrock on rape, forced conversions, sand stealing, temple destruction, murders, massacres, etc. by members of Islam in India, Pakistan, & Afghanistan. At,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1163810756

[2] Islam, Violent From The Beginning Using India as An Example: at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1163810568

[3] Kashmir the True Situation at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1163810887

[4] Muslims Love to Cover-up The Facts - A Special Report: at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1163810454

[5] India Taken by the Sword by Muslims From 10 Century On: at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1163810043

[6] The Ultimate Absurdity by a Member of Islam: at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...63176648&page=1

[7] Large Religions are False Religions - Their Fruitage at,

religioustruths.proboards59.com/ind...read=1163175928

With respect what I previously answered to I believe was, sayedmurtada,

[question by mujtaba_ak] The REAL fact is the this conflict is between MUSLIM BLACKS (with the support of christians) vs ARAB MUSLIMS.

Answer, Not entirely correct as I have spoken with over 40 refugees from Darfur that were all Christian; whereas, if they were attacking their own, fellow Muslims, that would clearly show with out question the un-loving and violent ways of Islam. Jesus (Yeshua) clearly said at Matthew 22:37-40, "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). Clearly, if what you say is true, that members of Islam fail to show love one to the other. One writer said this with respect love,
..."[source - Iris the Preacher]>>.

FIFTH REPLY, " I am not Wrong you are Wrong. I already Presented Rebel Groups Fighting the Sudan Groups as Muslims. Their Leaders are Muslims. WHAT PART of that Do you not understand?

Just because you meet 40 refugee who were Christians DOES MAKE THIS A CHRISTIAN VS MUSLIM CONFLICT.

Nobody in the world is saying that but you. You are making this Look Like a Genocide of the Christians.

QUOTE
Everyone knows rape is based on lust so get real; also, is it NOT forbidden in the Quran? Or did Muhammad () say go out and rape and rape?

What type of Person are you of course it is Forbidden.

www.muslimaccess.com/articles/Women/rape_in_islam.asp

In some Islamic Countries the Rapist is put to death, it is According to Sharia Law.
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Buddhist population in what is now Afghanistan, thus clearly you are in error.

Buddist are Not Hindu, so you are at error there.

Beside I would like you to explain to me when did christianty arrive to India?

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Real the Facts before you point at someone religion. I already know the History of Christianity so Don't think I will not use it against you. " [notice his threat---my next response will show he is wrong][source - Iris the Preacher]>>.

FIFTH RESPONSE, " No you are WRONG.

FIRST, I asked you to show me from the Quran where Muslim men are supposed to go rape women as Muslim men are doing in Darfur and Chad, but you have utterly failed to do so.

SECOND, Your comment,

Just because you meet 40 refugee who were Christians DOES MAKE THIS A CHRISTIAN VS MUSLIM CONFLICT.

What you say does not jive with reality, when one woman from Darfur said that when horsemen killed her husband, they said in Arabic, "die you d*** Christian pig."

They then raped her.

Now how do you explain and/or justify these actions by Sunni members of Islam?

THIRD, Your comment,

Nobody in the world is saying that but you. You are making this Look Like a Genocide of the Christians.

Oh, I was NOT the woman who was raped and had her husband killed by members of Islam as mentioned in SECOND above, that is reality.

Also, it is not only I but many that are aware of this crime against humanity by members of Islam, look at this example,

Sudan: Arab Muslims Kill And Enslave Black Christians - World's Media Yawns
photos1.blogger.com/blogger/617/362...nocideinsudan_b[1].0.jpghttp://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/617/362/1600/genocideinsudan_b[1].0.jpg
The situation in the Sudan is even worse than that the media ever tells us. I am amazed that the media has covered it up so effectively. It is disgusting, and it is a black mark on the souls of those who choose not to report the truth.

The truth is, well over two million people have been killed over the past 20+ years. The Arab Muslim government uses the Janjaweed to kill their enemies. They started with the black Christans, and Animists. This is the part the media never tells you about.

The first two million they killed were Christians and Animists.

The last couple hundred thousand have included a lot of Muslims (black Sufis, primarily).

When they started killing the Muslims, that's when the media started reporting on it.That was about three or four years ago.

Note that the whole time it has been Arabs killing black people. That the media doesn't care about.

What's more, in the Sudan, they kill the black men, and use the women and children as slaves and sex slaves.

There is literally black slavery going on in Sudan, but the media doesn't f**king care to tell the world about it. Arabs are using black people as slaves, and it is ok.[source - ibloga.blogspot.com/2006/11/sudan-a...nd-enslave.html on 11/19/2006]

And,

Commentary: Christians must take Darfur crisis personally


Beth Reilly

Beth Reilly
Oct. 6, 2005

A UMNS Commentary
By Beth Reilly*

During a visit this year with Sudanese President Al-Bashir, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice witnessed the Sudanese security staff "manhandling" reporters and staff members. The incident angered Secretary Rice, and she demanded an apology from the Sudanese government.

After two years of the Sudanese government's participation in genocide, after two years of torture, rape and murder, it was a pushing incident that ignited action. This incident shows the significance of a situation becoming personal; when something affects us in a personal way, we act or react.

To ensure progress in Darfur, the crisis needs to become personal, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.

The crisis of Darfur began in February 2003, when several African tribes that were feeling the effects of economic marginalization united against the Khartoum government. The government retaliated with a vengeance, arming a militia that became known as the Janjaweed, "Devils on Horseback." The Janjaweed burned homes, murdered men and boys, gang-raped women and girls, and destroyed food and water supplies.

The numbers of people who have been affected are staggering. The lowest estimate of death is 180,000, about three times the number of U.S. fatalities in the Vietnam War, and the highest estimate reaches 400,000, a number comparable to our national death toll from World War II.

More than 2 million Darfurians are displaced, and 3.5 million need food. The extent of devastation on lives is similar to that of last December's tragic tsunami, which hit South Asia and parts of Africa.

Although African Union troops have been deployed to provide protection, the number remains insufficient to establish security. Life has become survival of the fittest in crowded camps where battles are waged against sporadic violence, a limited food supply and infectious disease. The genocide continues in slow motion.

There are legitimate reasons to become involved when we consider the extensive pain in an analytical or emotional way, but when we add a spiritual dimension, the case for Christian involvemaent is indisputable. Jesus very clearly stated the priorities we are to have: love God and love our neighbor. Even when a situation is complex, distant and poorly publicized, we have no excuse for our lack of involvement.


A UMNS photo courtesy of USAID


Two displaced women in North Darfur wait for food. The United Nations estimates 1.6 million have been pushed from their homes in Sudan.

Two displaced women in Tawilla near El Fasher in North Darfur wait for food distributions. The United Nations estimates that 70,000 people have been killed and 1.6 million pushed from their homes by a months-old rampage supported by the government of Sudan. International efforts to bring a halt to the violence have been unsuccessful. A UMNS photo courtesy of USAID. Photo #04-525. Accompanies UMNS story #535, 11/16/04
While Christians are generally successful meeting the needs we "see" in person or in the media, when the need is more obscure, harder to visualize, comprehend and remedy, we are less successful. We are failing in Darfur because most Christians remain uninvolved. Jesus commanded love your neighbor as yourself - in other words, make it personal.

The situation in Darfur has had an impact on my life because I have lived overseas and learned that whether we are American, European or African, our similarities far outweigh our differences; we all have the basic desires for love, security and happiness.

It is heart-wrenching for me to read about the conditions that mothers and children are facing in Darfur. Having a son almost 2 and daughters 3 and 5, I allow myself to imagine what life must be like for a mother in Darfur, and it would be inconceivable for me to do nothing to help those in such desperate need.

So I will continue to receive weekly updates from SaveDarfur.org as I educate myself and others about the situation. I will continue to visit my senator's office and to write letters to the president asking them to work harder on a resolution. I will be a voice for Darfur. My voice joins those of others, including leaders of the National Council of Churches, the National Association of Evangelicals and the Save Darfur Coalition.

More people must get involved. On Sept. 28, during a Senate Foreign Relations hearing, Sen. Joseph Biden expressed concern about a lack of political will from Americans. That same day, 300 Arab men on horses and camels attacked a refugee camp in northwest Darfur, murdering 29 people and burning 80 makeshift shelters. U.N. humanitarian chief Jan Egeland warned that the escalating violence during September was threatening aid for millions.

Given the severity of this situation, it is a costly mistake for Christians to sit on the sidelines and hope that others will resolve the crisis. The time has come for the tragic situation to impact one's mind, heart and soul.

The time has come to get involved ... personally.

*Reilly attends Aldersgate United Methodist Church in Fort Wayne, Ind., and is an advocate for the people living in Darfur.

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